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<p class="MsoNormal">I agree with Barry – it should be Kelokelim and not Keloklim or Kloklim. It is a Hebrew word.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It is not the same as Dramati (that is a non-Hebrew word)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Heb-naco <b>On Behalf Of </b>Barry Dov Walfish via Heb-naco<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 07, 2022 11:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Shinohara, Jasmin <jshino@pobox.upenn.edu>; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <heb-naco@lists.osu.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">קלוקלים</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi, Jasmin,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The rule seems to be that if in the singular base word the letter in question has a vowel underneath it, then, in the plural<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">the sheva is a sheva na. So, since the sing. is kelokel, with tsere under the kof, then the plural should be kelokelim.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">See:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/hebrew-academy.org.il/2013/09/01/**I-**G-**K/__;16LXmden16jXmdeq15XXqNeq15TXoNeZ16fXldeT!!KGKeukY!kfyp455q_TPBY6DDi9TdY5pTxdZfi2EiioJlp5K5FC7qtCWMurG2Lb2MsMFy_NzmQJio$">https://hebrew-academy.org.il/2013/09/01/%D7%A2%D7%99%D7%A7%D7%A8%D7%99-%D7%AA%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%AA-%D7%94%D7%A0%D7%99%D7%A7%D7%95%D7%93/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hope this helps,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Barry<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 11:29 PM Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco <<a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu">heb-naco@lists.osu.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hi, all,
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL"></span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL"></span> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The above is found in a couple titles by Toviyah Rubner (and is cited from him in the E.-Sh. entry for word). It has historically been romanized as ḳeloḳelim. My question is,
why is the sheva under the second kof romanized as though it were a vocalized sheva? As a sheva merahef, wouldn’t it be ignored and the word romanized ḳeloḳlim?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Looking forward to your input.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thanks, Jasmin<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Jasmin Shinohara<o:p></o:p></p>
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