[Heb-NACO] copying and pasting diacritics

Thu Jul 26 09:45:29 EDT 2018

I am pretty sure this originated from WEINB. It also appears in other
records that probably HLS derived from WEINB.

For instance, see 1027015629 and 1031314500

Neil

On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 6:34 PM, Whitacre,Cynthia <whitacrc at oclc.org> wrote:

> Hello Joseph and others:
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> It is hard to say why characters get messed up when exchanging MARC
> records between systems.  Many diacritics and characters look alike.  This
> is why it is inadvisable to copy and paste complex text from other sources,
> as most of you well know, since incorrect characters may have been used,
> even if they look the same.  If the incorrect Unicode range is used, a
> different system may interpret the character differently in display.  There
> is also the situation of uncombined diacritics (letter and diacritics are
> separate characters) and combining diacritics (letter and diacritic
> together are one character).  Both are valid, but they may behave
> differently in different systems.
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> So, this is a complex issue, and not easily solved.  And, issues may
> differ from record to record.
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> If you do see a pattern of problems from a particular source, such as the
> WEINB records, do please report them to OCLC, and we’ll see what we can
> do.
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> Sincerely,
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> Cynthia M. Whitacre
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> *From:* Galron, Joseph <galron.1 at osu.edu>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 25, 2018 11:59 AM
> *To:* Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <heb-naco at lists.osu.edu>
> *Cc:* Whitacre,Cynthia <whitacrc at oclc.org>
> *Subject:* [External] RE: [Heb-NACO] copying and pasting diacritics
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> Colleagues,
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> We have to make sure that our local systems “speak” the same “language” as
> OCLC Connexion. i.e. Unicode UTF-8.
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> [I am sending this message also to OCLC QC people to make sure that this
> is the problem]
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> Yossi
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> *From:* Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces at lists.osu.edu> *On Behalf Of *Neil
> Manel Frau-Cortes
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 25, 2018 8:54 AM
> *To:* Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <heb-naco at lists.osu.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [Heb-NACO] copying and pasting diacritics
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> That would make sense. Perhaps they are batch loading from some other
> environment. We should keep an eye on it and let them (or whoever else)
> know it.
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> Neil
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> On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 7:00 PM, Miriam Gloger <miriamgloger at bookops.org>
> wrote:
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> I've noticed this problem with WEINB (Weinberg vendor records), mainly
> with the Alif and Ayin and especially hypens.  Anyone know of a good way to
> show the codes in the record?
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> On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 2:47 PM, Neil Manel Frau-Cortes <nfrau at umd.edu>
> wrote:
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> Dear all,
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>
> Lately I am encountering a number of bib records on OCLC where a cataloger
> has copied and pasted romanizations from somewhere else. The problem is
> that, even if it displays correctly and it validates, the diacritics map
> and index wrongly.
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> Example: 1031899969 Ḥorvot min ha-hoṿeh (with the under-dots) was done
> this way. The diacritics, when transferred to Aleph looked like $orvot min
> ha-ho eh : and of course the indexing and searching didn't work.
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> Maybe it's somebody who copies from another place in order to avoid typing
> the under-dots, not sure. Problem is, when you search for the tile it is
> not indexed correctly and when you transfer it to Aleph it becomes
> gibberish.
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> So heads up, that's it.
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> Kol tuv,
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*Neil M. Frau-Cortes, Ph.D. *(he, him, his)

Judaica, Hebraica and Metadata Cataloger

University of Maryland

4109 McKeldin Library

College Park, MD 20742

Phone (301) 405-9337

nfrau at umd.edu

ORCID ID: https://orcid.org/0000-0002-1881-1405
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