<div dir="ltr">I am pretty sure this originated from WEINB. It also appears in other records that probably HLS derived from WEINB.<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>For instance, see 1027015629 and 1031314500</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Neil</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 6:34 PM, Whitacre,Cynthia <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:whitacrc@oclc.org" target="_blank">whitacrc@oclc.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">It is hard to say why characters get messed up when exchanging MARC records between systems. Many diacritics and characters look alike. This is why it is inadvisable to copy
and paste complex text from other sources, as most of you well know, since incorrect characters may have been used, even if they look the same. If the incorrect Unicode range is used, a different system may interpret the character differently in display.
There is also the situation of uncombined diacritics (letter and diacritics are separate characters) and combining diacritics (letter and diacritic together are one character). Both are valid, but they may behave differently in different systems.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">So, this is a complex issue, and not easily solved. And, issues may differ from record to record.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Galron, Joseph <<a href="mailto:galron.1@osu.edu" target="_blank">galron.1@osu.edu</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 25, 2018 11:59 AM<span class=""><br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <<a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">heb-naco@lists.osu.edu</a>><br>
</span><b>Cc:</b> Whitacre,Cynthia <<a href="mailto:whitacrc@oclc.org" target="_blank">whitacrc@oclc.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [External] RE: [Heb-NACO] copying and pasting diacritics<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">We have to make sure that our local systems “speak” the same “language” as OCLC Connexion. i.e. Unicode UTF-8.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">[I am sending this message also to OCLC QC people to make sure that this is the problem]<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Yossi<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Joseph (Yossi) Galron-Goldschläger
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Head, <a href="http://guides.osu.edu/c.php?g=337806&p=2274681" target="_blank">
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<b>Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature</b>:<br>
<a href="http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0563c1">http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit</span></a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Union List of Digitized Jewish Historic Newspapers and Periodicals</b><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Heb-naco <<a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.<wbr>edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Neil Manel Frau-Cortes<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 25, 2018 8:54 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <<a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">heb-naco@lists.osu.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] copying and pasting diacritics<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That would make sense. Perhaps they are batch loading from some other environment. We should keep an eye on it and let them (or whoever else) know it.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 7:00 PM, Miriam Gloger <<a href="mailto:miriamgloger@bookops.org" target="_blank">miriamgloger@bookops.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I've noticed this problem with WEINB (Weinberg vendor records), mainly with the Alif and Ayin and especially hypens. Anyone know of a good way to show the codes in the record?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Lately I am encountering a number of bib records on OCLC where a cataloger has copied and pasted romanizations from somewhere else. The problem is that, even if it displays correctly and it validates, the diacritics map and index wrongly. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Example: 1031899969 Ḥorvot min ha-hoṿeh (with the under-dots) was done this way. The diacritics, when transferred to Aleph looked like $orvot min ha-ho eh : and of course the indexing and searching didn't work.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Maybe it's somebody who copies from another place in order to avoid typing the under-dots, not sure. Problem is, when you search for the tile it is not indexed correctly and when you transfer it to Aleph it becomes gibberish. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><span style="color:blue"><a href="http://nfrau@umd.edu" target="_blank">nfrau@umd.edu</a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="color:black">ORCID ID: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#494a4c"><a href="https://orcid.org/0000-0002-1881-1405" target="_blank">https://orcid.org/0000-<wbr>0002-1881-1405</a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><b style="font-size:12pt">Neil M.
Frau-Cortes, Ph.D. </b></span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black"></span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:x-small">(he, him, his)</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black">University of Maryland</span></p><p><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri;font-size:14.6667px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent">4109 </span><span style="font-size:12.8px;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black">McKeldin Library</span></p><p><span style="color:black;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12.8px">College Park, MD 20742</span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black">
Phone (301) 405-9337</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black"><span style="color:blue"><a href="http://nfrau@umd.edu" target="_blank">nfrau@umd.edu</a></span></span><span style="color:black"></span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black">ORCID ID: </span><span style="color:rgb(73,74,76);font-family:"Noto Sans",sans-serif;font-size:12px"><a href="https://orcid.org/0000-0002-1881-1405" target="_blank">https://orcid.org/0000-0002-1881-1405</a></span></p><p><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black"><br></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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