[Heb-NACO] ehyeh, right?

Thu Sep 1 19:28:39 EDT 2016

According to Lambdin's Introduction to Biblical Hebrew, it would be ehyeh.  The vowel under the alef is a segol, which is a short vowel, so the following sheva is silent and the first is a closed syllable.  At least that's the grammar of it, as far as I know.

Jerry Anne

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On Sep 1, 2016, at 5:32 PM, Shinohara, Jasmin <jshino at pobox.upenn.edu<mailto:jshino at pobox.upenn.edu>> wrote:

I agree with Barry; as in various other cases, we disregard pronunciation in favor of established vocalization/rules.  Users beware…

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I think it's time to light the Joan signal.

On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Barry Walfish <barry.walfish at utoronto.ca<mailto:barry.walfish at utoronto.ca>> wrote:
In this case, the native speaker's pronunciation follows the path of least resistance. It's easier to say eheyeh than ehyeh, so the vowels shift. This happens in a lot of cases. I don't think there's any question that the sheva is nah. But I've been surprised before. But for romanization purposes we should follow the grammar rules, no?

Barry Dov Walfish, Ph.D.
Judaica Specialist
University of Toronto Libraries
Toronto, ON M5S 1A5
Canada
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There is no discussion on the Nikud of the word, but how to pronounce it.
The question is - is it a שווא נח or a שווא נע.?
The modern pronunciation is Eheyeh. Native Hebrew speakers would go for Eheyeh.

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On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Shinohara, Jasmin <jshino at pobox.upenn.edu<mailto:jshino at pobox.upenn.edu>> wrote:
Yes, E-Sh. under Hayah, p. 380 on the right has just a sheva, no patah, with a subentry for Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh (Shemot 3:14, as cited by Barry) (see attached).

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Check ES under Hayah היה page 380 on the right side of the page.

I also checked Rav milim by Yaakov Choueka (1996) and there there is a hataf under the He
(see attached)

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On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Yossi Galron <jgalron at gmail.com<mailto:jgalron at gmail.com>> wrote:
I am for Eheyeh.

Eheyeh asher Eheyeh

Yossi

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On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Robert M. TALBOTT <rtalbott at library.berkeley.edu<mailto:rtalbott at library.berkeley.edu>> wrote:
Folks:

alef heh yud heh: my sense of this, which is apparently supported by the various dictionaries, is that this is romanized as "ehyeh" ; there's a sheva under the first heh However, there is not consensus on OCLC; about 20% of the entries I saw had "eheyeh," and many of these are from reliable institutions.

Ehyeh, right?  If I'm wrong, why?

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