[Heb-NACO] To Heidi L. re.: LC-PCC PS for 2.8.6.3 (was: 264 bracketed dates: = or that is?

Thu Jul 21 11:09:01 EDT 2016

Aaron you beat me to it. You are absolutely right. I was going to add that this morning,

Bet, Heidi

Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: lerner at stanford.edu

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From: Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces at lists.osu.edu> on behalf of Kuperman, Aaron <akup at loc.gov>
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Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] To Heidi L. re.: LC-PCC PS for 2.8.6.3 (was: 264 bracketed dates: = or that is?

That only applies to dates that are being transcribed, such as a publication date in the 264-1 or a copyright date in the 264-4.  If one does not find a publication date in the work, and is “forced” to use a different date (e.g. publication or copyright date) in the 264-1 as a proxy for the publication date, that is no longer transcribed data. Thus one only needs the Gregorian date, albeit in brackets which indicates it is not transcribed but is cataloger supplied.

Aaron Kuperman, LC Law Cataloging Section.

This is not an official communication from my employer

From: Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces+akup=loc.gov at lists.osu.edu] On Behalf Of Kohn, Roger
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Subject: [Heb-NACO] To Heidi L. re.: LC-PCC PS for 2.8.6.3 (was: 264 bracketed dates: = or that is?

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Heidi,

You wrote

LC-PCC PS 2.8.6.3 tells us to follow the optional addition:

If the date as it appears on the resource is represented in different calendars, record the dates in the order indicated by the sequence, layout, or typography of the dates on the source of information.

Please correct me, if your citation is indeed from LC-PCC PS 2.8.6.3.

According to what I see in the RDA Toolkit, this citation appears in plain RDA.

LC-PCC PS for 2.8.6.3 has the following:

LC-PCC PS for 2.8.6.3

OPTION

LC practice/PCC practice for Optional addition: Add the corresponding date or dates of the Gregorian or Julian calendar. If dates have been recorded using the Hebrew script, the Gregorian or Julian calendar date may be added in both the non-Latin and romanized field, or only the romanized field.

which has a specific reference to the Hebrew script and opens options “may be added … or only”

All the best,

- r.

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From: Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces at lists.osu.edu] On Behalf Of Heidi G Lerner
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 3:29 PM
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Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] 264 bracketed dates: = or that is?

Hi Bob,

I looked at the manual under the rule you cited and I do not see that we actually addressed the issue so I will go to the Toolkit.

LC-PCC PS 2.8.6.3 tells us to follow the optional addition:

If the date as it appears on the resource is represented in different calendars, record the dates in the order indicated by the sequence, layout, or typography of the dates on the source of information.

For example if you have a date of publication in the Hebrew calendar followed by a date in the  Gregorian calendar in the same source of information you will record it as [Hebrew calendar=Gregorian calendar] (or vice versa depending on the order of dates).

Also, if you have a Hebrew date of publication appearing in one source of information and a Gregorian date of publication appearing in another source of information you would follow the same practice.

However if you have a Hebrew date of publication on one source and a Gregorian date of copyright or manufacture you would not record theses as parallel dates of publication.

You would record the Hebrew date of publication witout brackets and the inferred date of publication based on the Gregorian date of copyright or manufacture in brackets.

I hope that this clarifies the situation.

Best, Heidi

Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: lerner at stanford.edu<mailto:lerner at stanford.edu>

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