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<p>Aaron you beat me to it. You are absolutely right. I was going to add that this morning,</p>
<p>Bet, Heidi</p>
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<p>Heidi G. Lerner</p>
<p>Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica</p>
<p>Metadata Dept.</p>
<p>Stanford University Libraries</p>
<p>Stanford, CA 94305-6004</p>
<p>ph: 650-725-9953</p>
<p>fax: 650-725-1120</p>
<p>e-mail: lerner@stanford.edu</p>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000" style="font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu> on behalf of Kuperman, Aaron <akup@loc.gov><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 21, 2016 5:51 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Hebrew Name Authority Funnel'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] To Heidi L. re.: LC-PCC PS for 2.8.6.3 (was: 264 bracketed dates: = or that is?</font>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#C00000">That only applies to dates that are being transcribed, such as a publication date in the 264-1 or a copyright date in the 264-4. If one does not find a publication date in the
work, and is “forced” to use a different date (e.g. publication or copyright date) in the 264-1 as a proxy for the publication date, that is no longer transcribed data. Thus one only needs the
</span><span style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"; color:#C00000">Gregorian date, albeit in brackets which indicates it is not transcribed but is cataloger supplied.
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<span style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"; color:#C00000">Aaron Kuperman, LC Law Cataloging Section.
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<span style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"; color:#C00000">This is not an official communication from my employer</span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces+akup=loc.gov@lists.osu.edu]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kohn, Roger<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 21, 2016 8:29 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Hebrew Name Authority Funnel'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Heb-NACO] To Heidi L. re.: LC-PCC PS for 2.8.6.3 (was: 264 bracketed dates: = or that is?</span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"; color:#1D1B11">Heidi,</span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"; color:#1D1B11">You wrote </span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"; color:black">LC-PCC PS 2.8.6.3 tells us to follow the optional addition:</span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"; color:black"> </span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"; color:black">If the date as it appears on the resource is represented in different calendars, record the dates in the order indicated by the sequence, layout, or typography of the dates
on the source of information.</span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"; color:#1D1B11"> </span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"; color:#1D1B11">Please correct me, if your citation is indeed from LC-PCC PS 2.8.6.3.</span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"; color:#1D1B11"> </span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"; color:#1D1B11">According to what I see in the RDA Toolkit, this citation appears in plain RDA.</span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"; color:#1D1B11">LC-PCC PS for 2.8.6.3 has the following:</span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"; color:#1D1B11">LC-PCC PS for 2.8.6.3</span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"; color:#1D1B11">OPTION</span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"; color:#1D1B11">LC practice/PCC practice for Optional addition: Add the corresponding date or dates of the Gregorian or Julian calendar. If dates have been recorded using the Hebrew script, the Gregorian or Julian
calendar date may be added in both the non-Latin and romanized field, or only the romanized field.</span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"; color:#1D1B11">which has a specific reference to the Hebrew script and opens options “may be added … or only”</span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"; color:#1D1B11">All the best,</span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"; color:#1D1B11">- r. </span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"; color:#1D1B11">7-3997</span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Heb-naco [<a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Heidi G Lerner<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 20, 2016 3:29 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel; <a href="mailto:rtalbott@library.berkeley.edu" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">
rtalbott@library.berkeley.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] 264 bracketed dates: = or that is?</span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">Hi Bob,</span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black"> </span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">I looked at the manual under the rule you cited and I do not see that we actually addressed the issue so I will go to the Toolkit.</span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">LC-PCC PS 2.8.6.3 tells us to follow the optional addition:</span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black"> </span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">If the date as it appears on the resource is represented in different calendars, record the dates in the order indicated by the sequence, layout, or typography of the
dates on the source of information.</span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black"> </span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">For example if you have a date of publication in the Hebrew calendar followed by a date in the Gregorian calendar in the same source of information you will record it
as [Hebrew calendar=Gregorian calendar] (or vice versa depending on the order of dates).</span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black"> </span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">Also, if you have a Hebrew date of publication appearing in one source of information and a Gregorian date of publication appearing in another source of information you
would follow the same practice.</span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black"> </span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">However if you have a Hebrew date of publication on one source and a Gregorian date of copyright or manufacture you would not record theses as parallel dates of publication.</span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black"> </span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">You would record the Hebrew date of publication witout brackets and the inferred date of publication based on the Gregorian date of copyright or manufacture in brackets.</span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">I hope that this clarifies the situation.</span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">Best, Heidi</span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica</span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">Metadata Dept.</span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">Stanford University Libraries</span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">Stanford, CA 94305-6004</span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">ph: 650-725-9953</span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">fax: 650-725-1120</span></p>
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