[Heb-NACO] romanization of כמעט

Fri Jul 1 04:14:02 EDT 2016

Yes,  it should be more widely available than the Princeton site.

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From: "Dickel, Geraldine" <geraldine.dickel at yale.edu>
Date: 6/30/16 11:58 PM (GMT+02:00)
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <heb-naco at lists.osu.edu>
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization of כמעט

Would it be a good idea to create a list of Romanization FAQs as a document in the AJL Cataloging wiki?  That way more than one person could edit it as needed and it wouldn’t be dependent on a particular person who might leave or retire.

I could get it started by taking the information from the Princeton site and putting it into a table in a Word document, which could then be posted on the wiki.  One problem is that the E-Sh. that I have is 1985, so I do not have the most current updates.

What do folks think?

Jerry Anne

(I’ll be off work until Tuesday July 5)

From: Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces at lists.osu.edu] On Behalf Of Rachel Simon
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 10:40 AM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <heb-naco at lists.osu.edu>
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization of כמעט

I’ll be happy to update the list, but will have to find someone in Princeton who can do it: I gave the list to someone who has left long ago, and the systems have changed considerably since. So, don’t hold your breath.

Rachel

From: Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces+rsimon=princeton.edu at lists.osu.edu] On Behalf Of Shinohara, Jasmin
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 10:22 AM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization of כמעט

Thank you so much for weighing in, Joan!  Ki-me'at it is.  (LC, please take note…)

With a hat-tip to Rachel Simon, there is such a list of Romanization FAQ’s<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__library.princeton.edu_departments_tsd_katmandu_hebrew_roman_errors.html&d=CwMGaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=4dd_PgOXYx-hkFEruxwy7P-fnGTt986sp4bwD723Yyw&m=SlC0nL5KBCfc5gZ7X0nQunL8qF2SIW4T9xU9TuroqX4&s=DTsNrwY94KS4z3iRj4SE_yvWUpJNzFadQRQVXFJ5VtM&e=> (it’s now also linked on the wiki), but it does need to be updated to reflect the latest E-Sh. (specifically, מעין, which as of the 2012 update is now ma'ayan).  Rachel, would you please consider adding ki-me'at to the list?

Jasmin

From: Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces+jshino=pobox.upenn.edu at lists.osu.edu] On Behalf Of Joan Biella
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 9:03 PM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization of כמעט

If you can find the word by looking under both K and M, then you romanize according to the "more analytical" interpretation--ki-me'at in this case--so that a search under "me'at" will discover the phrase.
The same words cause trouble over and over.  Perhaps we should have a list of "words frequently misromanized," which of course would have to be checked and re-checked whenever a new Even-Shoshan edition comes out!
This might give some romanizers added confidence ... but I realize others would never think to consult the list.
Joan

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Shinohara, Jasmin <jshino at pobox.upenn.edu<mailto:jshino at pobox.upenn.edu>> wrote:
If anything, it’s a sheva ha-merahef (לעניות דעתי), but that doesn’t address the question of whether or not the כ is here as a “little word”.

From: Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces+jshino<mailto:heb-naco-bounces%2Bjshino>=pobox.upenn.edu at lists.osu.edu<mailto:pobox.upenn.edu at lists.osu.edu>] On Behalf Of Yossi Galron
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 6:07 PM

To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization of כמעט

Okay - I have to consult גדולים וחכמים ממני if it is a שווא נע or a שווא נח
I guess if it is a שווא נח then it will be Kim'at and not Ki-me'at

Yossi

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On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 5:58 PM, Shinohara, Jasmin <jshino at pobox.upenn.edu<mailto:jshino at pobox.upenn.edu>> wrote:
I agree, but most of the entries in LC since 2012 have kim’at.  Hence the question.

From: Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces at lists.osu.edu<mailto:heb-naco-bounces at lists.osu.edu>] On Behalf Of Yossi Galron
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 5:53 PM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization of כמעט

So the question is: Should it be Ki-me'at, or Kime'at?

I think it should be Ki-me'at - the entry in E.Sh. under מעט is much more elaborate then half the line under כמעט

(The same is also in the מילון אריאל המקיף of 2007)

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On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 5:36 PM, Shinohara, Jasmin <jshino at pobox.upenn.edu<mailto:jshino at pobox.upenn.edu>> wrote:
E-Sh. now has an entry for the word as itself, though it maintains a “see” reference to מעט.  Do we consider this to be a changed Romanization?  If so, I’ll add it to the chart on the wiki.

Thanks, Jasmin

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