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<div>Yes, it should be more widely available than the Princeton site.</div>
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<div>From: "Dickel, Geraldine" <geraldine.dickel@yale.edu> </div>
<div>Date: 6/30/16 11:58 PM (GMT+02:00) </div>
<div>To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <heb-naco@lists.osu.edu> </div>
<div>Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization of כמעט </div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Would it be a good idea to create a list of Romanization FAQs as a document in the AJL Cataloging wiki? That way more than one person could edit it as needed
and it wouldn’t be dependent on a particular person who might leave or retire.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">I could get it started by taking the information from the Princeton site and putting it into a table in a Word document, which could then be posted on the wiki.
One problem is that the E-Sh. that I have is 1985, so I do not have the most current updates.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">What do folks think?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">(I’ll be off work until Tuesday July 5)</span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Rachel Simon<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 30, 2016 10:40 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <heb-naco@lists.osu.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization of </span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt">כמעט</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">I’ll be happy to update the list, but will have to find someone in Princeton who can do it: I gave the list to someone who has left long ago, and the systems
have changed considerably since. So, don’t hold your breath.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Rachel</span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Shinohara, Jasmin<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 30, 2016 10:22 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization of <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">כמעט</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Thank you so much for weighing in, Joan! Ki-me'at it is. (LC, please take note…)
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">With a hat-tip to Rachel Simon, there is such a list of
<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__library.princeton.edu_departments_tsd_katmandu_hebrew_roman_errors.html&d=CwMGaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=4dd_PgOXYx-hkFEruxwy7P-fnGTt986sp4bwD723Yyw&m=SlC0nL5KBCfc5gZ7X0nQunL8qF2SIW4T9xU9TuroqX4&s=DTsNrwY94KS4z3iRj4SE_yvWUpJNzFadQRQVXFJ5VtM&e=">
Romanization FAQ’s</a> (it’s now also linked on the wiki), but it does need to be updated to reflect the latest E-Sh. (specifically,
</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">מעין</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D"><span dir="LTR"></span>, which as of the
2012 update is now ma'ayan). Rachel, would you please consider adding ki-me'at to the list?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> Heb-naco [<a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces+jshino=pobox.upenn.edu@lists.osu.edu">mailto:heb-naco-bounces+jshino=pobox.upenn.edu@lists.osu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Joan Biella<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 29, 2016 9:03 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization of <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">כמעט</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">If you can find the word by looking under both K and M, then you romanize according to the "more analytical" interpretation--ki-me'at in this case--so that a search under "me'at" will discover the phrase.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">The same words cause trouble over and over. Perhaps we should have a list of "words frequently misromanized," which of course would have to be checked and re-checked whenever a new Even-Shoshan edition comes
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">This might give some romanizers added confidence ... but I realize others would never think to consult the list.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Shinohara, Jasmin <<a href="mailto:jshino@pobox.upenn.edu" target="_blank">jshino@pobox.upenn.edu</a>> wrote:</p>
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דעתי</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D"><span dir="LTR"></span>), but that doesn’t address the question of whether or not the
</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">כ</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt; color:#1F497D">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">is here as a “little word”.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> Heb-naco [mailto:<a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces%2Bjshino" target="_blank">heb-naco-bounces+jshino</a>=<a href="mailto:pobox.upenn.edu@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">pobox.upenn.edu@lists.osu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Yossi Galron<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 29, 2016 6:07 PM</span></p>
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<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization of <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">כמעט</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="">Okay - I have to consult <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">
גדולים וחכמים ממני </span>if it is a <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">שווא נע </span>or a
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">שווא נח</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="">Yossi</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="">Joseph (Yossi) Galron-Goldschläger<br>
E-Mail: <a href="mailto:galron.1@osu.edu" target="_blank">galron.1@osu.edu</a> or
<a href="mailto:jgalron@gmail.com" target="_blank">jgalron@gmail.com</a><br>
Tel.: <a href="tel:%28614%29%20292-3362" target="_blank">(614) 292-3362</a>, Fax:
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Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__go.osu.edu_hebrewlit&d=CwMGaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=4dd_PgOXYx-hkFEruxwy7P-fnGTt986sp4bwD723Yyw&m=SlC0nL5KBCfc5gZ7X0nQunL8qF2SIW4T9xU9TuroqX4&s=_DCGZdQzhbtZhQO2wTtjDdJgsiWkNuh79ZL0fTQlFT4&e=" target="_blank">
http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit</a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="">On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 5:58 PM, Shinohara, Jasmin <<a href="mailto:jshino@pobox.upenn.edu" target="_blank">jshino@pobox.upenn.edu</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">I agree, but most of the entries in LC since 2012 have kim’at. Hence the question.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> Heb-naco [mailto:<a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Yossi Galron<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 29, 2016 5:53 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization of <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">כמעט</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="">I think it should be Ki-me'at - the entry in E.Sh. under
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">מעט </span>is much more elaborate then half the line under
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">כמעט</span></p>
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Tel.: <a href="tel:%28614%29%20292-3362" target="_blank">(614) 292-3362</a>, Fax:
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Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__go.osu.edu_hebrewlit&d=CwMGaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=4dd_PgOXYx-hkFEruxwy7P-fnGTt986sp4bwD723Yyw&m=SlC0nL5KBCfc5gZ7X0nQunL8qF2SIW4T9xU9TuroqX4&s=_DCGZdQzhbtZhQO2wTtjDdJgsiWkNuh79ZL0fTQlFT4&e=" target="_blank">
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="">On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 5:36 PM, Shinohara, Jasmin <<a href="mailto:jshino@pobox.upenn.edu" target="_blank">jshino@pobox.upenn.edu</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="">E-Sh. now has an entry for the word as itself, though it maintains a “see” reference to
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">מעט</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>. Do we consider this to be a changed Romanization? If so, I’ll add it to the chart on the wiki.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="">Thanks, Jasmin</p>
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