[Heb-NACO] words starting with דרמ-

[Joan Biella]

The rule being followed here is the one that says Alcalay's vocalization
determines the romanization of words with ambiguous initial shevas.  If his
dictionary prints the sheva, we romanize it as "e."  This rule was laid
down for the benefit of catalogers who don't have access to spoken Hebrew
sources, and ensures a standard romanization for everyone.

Perhaps it is time to reconsider this rule, as some catalogers in some
circumstances certainly find it annoying.  The recent exchange about
psefas/pesefas dealt with the same issue.  Should this be discussed
seriously by the cataloging committee?

Joan

On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 6:34 AM, Neil Manel Frau-Cortes <nfrau at umd.edu>
wrote:

> No offense, but have you ever tried to explain the crazy "deramah"
> exception to somebody who is not a Hebrew cataloger?
>
> Whoever has the power could just have eliminated the exception instead of
> adding to it.
>
> All linguistic systems tend to regularization
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regularization_(linguistics)>. In any
> codification system, the more exceptions you add to rules, the less
> effective the code is.
>
> שבת שלום ומעדים לשמחה
>
> Neil
>
> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 5:44 PM, Heidi G Lerner <lerner at stanford.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> I would certainly think so. I can't think why not.
>>
>>
>> The wod, while not of themselves completely foreign words: they are based
>> on one.
>>
>>
>> Just my thoughts.
>>
>>
>> Best, Heidi
>>
>>
>> Heidi G. Lerner
>>
>> Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica
>>
>> Metadata Dept.
>>
>> Stanford University Libraries
>>
>> Stanford, CA 94305-6004
>>
>> ph: 650-725-9953
>>
>> fax: 650-725-1120
>>
>> e-mail: lerner at stanford.edu
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Shinohara, Jasmin <jshino at pobox.upenn.edu>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 28, 2016 2:13 PM
>> *To:* Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
>> *Cc:* Heidi G Lerner
>> *Subject:* words starting with דרמ-
>>
>>
>> HCM2 clearly states דרמה as exception to vocalization of foreign loan
>> words (“first sheṿa in a foreign loan word with an initial consonantal
>> cluster is generally treated as a sheṿa naḥ…” cf. p. 19).  Do other
>> words starting with that “root” follow that same exception, e.g.
>> דרמטורגיה, דרמטי, דרמטיזציה, etc.?
>>
>> Thank, Jasmin
>>
>>
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Jasmin Shinohara
>>
>> Hebraica Cataloging Librarian
>>
>> University of Pennsylvania
>>
>> Van Pelt-Dietrich Library Center
>>
>> 3420 Walnut Street
>>
>> Philadelphia, PA 19104-6206
>>
>> T. 215-746-6397
>>
>> F. 215-573-9610
>>
>> jshino at upenn.edu
>>
>>
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>
> *Neil M. Frau-Cortes, Ph.D.*
>
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>
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>
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