[Heb-NACO] Admor Shelita as a cross reference for Hassidic Rebbes

Tue Sep 29 03:35:49 EDT 2015

For admorim, particularly when the name appears only as 'ha-admor shelita' the dates you really need are not birth/death dates but the dates of his 'reign'

The NLI authority file (data also in VIAF) contains dozens of cross references in form (in Hebrew) "admor mi..., during years ..."

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From: Heb-naco [heb-naco-bounces at lists.osu.edu] on behalf of Heidi G Lerner [lerner at stanford.edu]
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 7:30 PM
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Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Admor Shelita as a cross reference for Hassidic Rebbes

Dear Miriam,

I agree with you that the addition of a date s very useful, and if a date of birth/death is available, is required for for newly created NARs. I looked at the first NAR that you are citing

and there is no information found in the 670 offering  a date of birth or death. The creator of the NAR could have recorded a series of 675s to indicate that they tried to find a date of birth or death; that would only be required if the heading conflicted with another heading or xreference in a different NAR. In this case there was not conflict so the creator of the NAR was perfectly in compliance with the rules. Differentiating  between two identitcal xrefs is not required so this NAR is perfectly okay.

However,  you may certainly take the time when you encounter this situation (and in the case of this NAR) to look for birth and dates and add them to the xref Amdor Shelita if you find them. In the case of the first example the dates are readily in both OCLC and Viḳipedyah (https://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%A9%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%90%D7%9C_%D7%A6%D7%91%D7%99_%D7%94%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%95%D7%91%D7%99%D7%A5).

If you decide to modify the NAR I will look forward to taking a look at it.

I agree with you that the xreference in the 2nd example "Sheliṭa, Admor (active 2014), while probably not technically wrong does not make much sense.

Best, Heidi

Heidi G. Lerner

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Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 11:35 AM
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Subject: [Heb-NACO] Admor Shelita as a cross reference for Hassidic Rebbes

The term Admor Shelita אדמו"ר שליט"א (Adoni, mori v.e-rabi she-yih.yeh le-orekh yamim t.ovim amen --
my master, teacher, and Rabbi, he should live to the length of good days amen)
is kind of like saying his excellency, or his holiness -- it is an honorific typically used for Hassidic Rebbes.  In some cases it is used somewhat correctly as Admor of a place/Congregation
but even in those cases, it probably should have dates because Hassidic groups/communities are dynastic so that there are 1) often several generations of Admor mi-(name the city) 2) in some cases like Satmar, Bobov, Vizhnitz, there are splits, -- so that there are 2 Admor mi-(name the group) at a time writing about the same subject!

Below are a few examples of usage with and without a date.  In the second record Shelita $c Admor makes absolutely no sense.

ARN 6015791
010  nr2003011259
040  DLC-R ǂb eng ǂc DLC-R ǂd OCoLC
1001 Horoṿits, Shemuʼel Tsevi
4000 Admor Sheliṭa
4001 אדמו״ר שליטא
4001 הורוויץ, שמואל צבי
667  Machine-derived non-Latin script reference project.
667  Non-Latin script references not evaluated.
670  Sefer Shivḥe Tehilim, 2000: ǂb t.p. (Maran Admor, sheliṭa) p. 32 (author of Ṭava di-Shemuʼel)
670  RLIN, 31 Mar. 2003 ǂb (hdg.: Horoṿits, Shemuʼel Tsevi; author of Ṭava di-Shemuʼel)

ARN 9989794
010  no2014136816
040  CSt-HC ǂb eng ǂe rda ǂc CSt-HC ǂd DLC
1001 Wassertheil, Chaim Elazar
4000 Admor Sheliṭa, ǂd active 2014
4001 אדמו״ר שליט״א
4001 Sheliṭa, ǂc Admor, ǂd active 2014
4001 שליט״א, אדמו״ר
4001 Ṿasserṭhail, Ḥayim Elʻazar
4001 וואססערטהייל, חיים אלעזר
4000 Admor, ǂc mi-Rimanov
667  Non-Latin script reference not evaluated.
670  Sefer Ḳedushat Shabat: ǂb title page (Admor Sheliṭa)
670  Wikipedia, viewed Oct. 9, 2014 ǂb (Rimenov (Hasidic dynatsty; Rabbi Chaim Elazar Wassertheil, rabbi of "Beeras Hamayim" in Borough Bark, Brookyn)
670  National Library of Israel authority file, viewed online Oct. 9, 2014 ǂb (hdg.:וואסערטהייל, חיים אלעזר =  Ṿasserṭhail, Ḥayim ʻElʻazar; xref: אדמו״ר מרימנוב (בורו פארק = Admor mi-Rimanov (Boro Parḳ))

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