[Heb-NACO] Romanization Question: another word

[sshtuhl]

Rachel, good question. According to Even Shoshan, balagan is a 
foreign-loan word from Farsi. However, it has such a wide use in Hebrew 
that its use in a verb appears as le-valgen. Considering that, I would 
think that it would also mean that we would write: be-valagan. However, 
psefas (pesefas) had never been formed into a verb (one can jokingly say 
that le-fasfes comes from similar root) or has a wide range of uses and 
therefore, my thought was that it should be Romanized psefas.

Smadar

On 11/5/2015 12:08 PM, Rachel Simon wrote:
> How about    בלגן  ? the title is:  נוער בבלגן
> So, is this considered a Hebrew word, to be Romanized as: "No'ar be-valagan"? Or "No'ar be-balagan"? Or simply: "No'ar ba-balagan"?
>
> Rachel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces at lists.osu.edu] On Behalf Of Robert M. TALBOTT
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> To: Barry Walfish; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
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> Yes, upon closer inspection with my glasses "pesefas."
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 8:50 AM, Barry Walfish <barry.walfish at utoronto.ca> wrote:
>> Actually, in my ES it's pesefas. But I think itshould be treated like psikhologyah or psikhiatriyah, i.e., psefas.
>> My two cents.
>>
>> Barry
>>
>> Dr. Barry Dov Walfish
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Heb-naco
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>> Behalf Of Robert M. TALBOTT
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>> Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Romanization Question
>>
>> Hi Smadar
>>
>> Looking in ES, the romanization is given as "pesifas," with a citation from Avot. My two cents on the matter is that though this is a loan word, it's been in the language long enough to be naturalized.
>>
>> When in doubt, check the HCM:
>> http://online.sfsu.edu/biella/HCM2/hcm.html.  Click on  "Hebrew and Yiddish romanization" then scroll down to "Foreign loan words." We are apparently no longer obliged to check Alcalay, though it's still of use.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 11:01 AM, sshtuhl <sshtuhl at upenn.edu> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> I have a question about the word פסיפס, which is originated from
>>> Greek. As a foreign-loan word it should be Romanized as 'psefas' but
>>> in entries it appears as 'pesefas'. Does anyone have any thoughts on this discrepancy?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Smadar
>>>
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