[Heb-NACO] proposed instruction on conventional collective titles
Jasmin Nof
jnof at upenn.edu
Fri Feb 1 11:58:32 EST 2013
OK, I think I get it now: In the case of belle-lettres, yes, most often
such collections have unique titles that would be the same as the title
proper, hence no need for a 246. But Yossi was specifically asking
about the cases of non-unique titles that have, thus far, been given the
unique/title proper in the 240. Under RDA, because the 240 is now
occupied by the "conventional collective title", there _would_ be an
added 246. I was confused by what your statement of "99% of cases"
referred to. Thanks, Jasmin
On 2/1/2013 11:34 AM, Biella, Joan wrote:
>
> In the first example, the title proper is identical to the preferred
> title. So a 246 is not needed.
>
> Joan
>
> *From:*heb-naco-bounces+jbie=loc.gov at lists.service.ohio-state.edu
> [mailto:heb-naco-bounces+jbie=loc.gov at lists.service.ohio-state.edu]
> *On Behalf Of *Jasmin Nof
> *Sent:* Friday, February 01, 2013 11:25 AM
> *To:* Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
> *Subject:* Re: [Heb-NACO] proposed instruction on conventional
> collective titles
>
> Wait, I'm confused: why would we not make a 246 for the preferred
> title? In the second example Joan sends below there is such a 246.
> Please clarify. Thanks, Jasmin
>
> On 2/1/2013 11:06 AM, Heidi G Lerner wrote:
>
> I think that it is what he is talking about. When we are providing
> collective titles for non-rabbinics that lack a generic first
> word such as for most belles-lettres, we would not make a 246 for
> the "preferred titled." 99 percent of the title the preferred
> title would be the same as the title proper if we did not have the
> rule about collective titles as in example 1.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From: *"Joan Biella" <jbie at loc.gov> <mailto:jbie at loc.gov>
> *To: *"Hebrew Name Authority Funnel"
> <heb-naco at lists.service.ohio-state.edu>
> <mailto:heb-naco at lists.service.ohio-state.edu>
> *Sent: *Friday, February 1, 2013 7:42:17 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [Heb-NACO] proposed instruction on
> conventional collective titles
>
> On rereading Yossi's message, I realize that he is not asking
> about the treatment of "Sefer," "Kuntres," etc. in general (I'm
> preparing an HCM segment on that question, though), but wondering
> what happens to resources which now have to be given conventional
> collective titles in the 240. Below are two examples--do they
> answer the question? Yes, you could say the 240 "ignores" the
> title proper, and even the preferred title, of the book.
>
> Joan
>
> *From:*heb-naco-bounces at lists.service.ohio-state.edu
> <mailto:heb-naco-bounces at lists.service.ohio-state.edu>
> [mailto:heb-naco-bounces at lists.service.ohio-state.edu] *On Behalf
> Of *Yossi Galron
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 31, 2013 2:51 PM
> *To:* Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
> *Subject:* Re: [Heb-NACO] proposed instruction on conventional
> collective titles
>
> I have a question regarding the 240 field: Till now we used to put
> in the 240 the title proper of the book ignoring the words Sefer,
> Kuntres, etc. (Berit ha-Levi for Sefer Berit ha-Levi). Does it
> mean that in RDA the 240 field will actually ignore the Title
> proper of the book and it will be replaced by a 246 field?
>
> Yossi
>
>
> Joseph (Yossi) Galron-Goldschlaeger
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>
> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Biella, Joan <jbie at loc.gov
> <mailto:jbie at loc.gov>> wrote:
>
> I think this is a separate question from the last one. If it's
> not possible to determine which is the first or predominant work,
> then either
>
> 1) the thing can't be considered a compilation, per the answer to
> the last question, or
>
> 2) it belongs to one of the exempted categories in the LC-PCC PSs
> on 25.1 and 26.2
>
> If neither of these is the case, I don't really see how one could
> ever be unable to determine the first work (OR the predominant
> work, for that matter). Of course this work has to have a TITLE
> (and that's why collections of letters are exempted, for example).
>
> Joan
>
> *From:*heb-naco-bounces at lists.service.ohio-state.edu
> <mailto:heb-naco-bounces at lists.service.ohio-state.edu>
> [mailto:heb-naco-bounces at lists.service.ohio-state.edu
> <mailto:heb-naco-bounces at lists.service.ohio-state.edu>] *On Behalf
> Of *Jasmin Nof
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 31, 2013 2:11 PM
>
>
> *To:* Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
> *Subject:* Re: [Heb-NACO] proposed instruction on conventional
> collective titles
>
> (sorry, sent too soon)
>
>
>
> Often in such cases it is not clear which is the "first or
> predominant work" -- it's all just one big jumble.
>
> Jasmin
>
> On 1/31/2013 2:08 PM, Jasmin Nof wrote:
>
> What is one to do in a case where several such terms are given
> in a book's title? E.g.:
>
> Sefer Yalk?ut? ?avodat Yis?ra?el : k?evutsat ma?amarim,
> lik?ut?im yek?arim, ?al seder parashiyot ha-Torah ... / me-et
> Yis?ra?el, magid me-yesharim di-k?k?. K?oznits ; nilk?et?u,
> ne?erkhu v?e-sudru be-tseruf mek?orot, ?iyunim v?e-he?arot ?a.
> y. Mosheh Yeh?ezk?el ha-Lev?i Blumenberg. (lccn2005352488)
>
> Jasmin
>
> On 1/31/2013 11:59 AM, Biella, Joan wrote:
>
> Here's a draft Heidi and I have written for inclusion in
> the 2nd ed of Hebraica Cataloging.
>
> Further comments from you?
>
> Joan
>
> PROPOSED NEW SECTION FOR HCM 2^ND ED
>
> Joan Biella and Heidi Lerner
>
> The use of conventional collective titles is considerably
> expanded under RDA, owing to the fact that a distinction
> between "adequate" and "inadequate" titles proper, as
> described in LCRI 25.10, is no longer made. Any
> compilation of two or more but not all of the works of a
> single person, family, or corporate body requires a
> conventional collective title followed by "Selections,"
> (cf. LC-PCC PS for the /Alternative/ to 6.2.2.10.3).
>
> For some types of compilations, an authorized access point
> for the first or predominant work in the compilation is
> also required (cf. LC-PCC PS for 26.1).
>
> *6.2.2.10.3 Other Compilations of Two or More Works, LC
> practice for the /Alternative/*
>
> /For a compilation consisting of two or more but not all
> the works of one person, family, or corporate body, in a
> particular form, record a conventional collective title
> followed by "Selections." Give an authorized access point
> for the first or predominant work (Policy Statement 25.1)
> or expression (Policy Statement 26.1)./
>
> *LC-PCC PS for 26.1 Related Expression*
>
> /For compilations of expressions other than those which
> include the original expression and one or more
> translations, give an analytical authorized access point
> for the predominant or first expression in the compilation
> when it represents a substantial part of the resource.
> Disregard contributions such as a preface or introductory
> chapter. Generally, do not apply this core element to
> anthologies of poetry, hymnals, conference proceedings,
> journals, collections of interviews or letters, and
> similar resources./
>
> Instruction *6.2.2.10.2 Complete Works in a Single
> Form//*provides a list of frequently-used conventional
> collective titles, and adds "/If none of these terms is
> appropriate, record an appropriate specific collective
> title (e.g., Posters, Fragments, Encyclicals)."/
>
> //
>
> /Correspondence Poems/
>
> /Essays Prose works/
>
> /Novels Short stories/
>
> /Plays Speeches/
>
> //
>
> For specific types of works often compiled in religious
> Hebrew publishing, use the following table (when
> catalogers' judgment permits):
>
> //
>
> *be'urim*
>
>
>
> Commentaries. Selections
>
> *derashot*
>
>
>
> Sermons. Selections
>
> *devarim*
>
>
>
> Works. Selections
>
> *ertseylungen (about a rabbi)*
>
>
>
> Anecdotes. Selections
>
> *halakhot*
>
>
>
> Religious laws. Selections
>
> *he'arot, he'arot*
>
>
>
> Commentaries. Selections
>
> *h.idushim*
>
>
>
> Novellae. Selections
>
> *k.un**t.resim*
>
>
>
> Minor works. Selections
>
> *li**k.utim*
>
>
>
> Works. Selections
>
> *ma'amarim*
>
>
>
> Essays. Selections
>
> *mays'es? (about a rabbi)*
>
>
>
> Anecdotes. Selections
>
> *peninim*
>
>
>
> Works. Selections
>
> *perushim*
>
>
>
> Commentaries. Selections
>
> *pesa**k.im*
>
>
>
> Decisions. Selections
>
> *shi'urim*
>
>
>
> Lessons. Selections
>
> *sipurim (about a rabbi)*
>
>
>
> Anecdotes. Selections
>
> *teshuvot; she'elot u-teshuvot*
>
>
>
> Responsa. Selections
>
> Or, looked at the other way around:
>
> *Anecdotes. Selections*
>
>
>
> ertseylungen ; mays'es?**; sipurim
>
> *Commentaries. Selections*
>
>
>
> be'urim ; he'arot, he'arot ; perushim
>
> *Decisions. Selections*
>
>
>
> pesak.im
>
> *Essays. Selections*
>
>
>
> ma'amarim
>
> *Lessons. Selections*
>
>
>
> shi'urim
>
> *Minor works. Selections*
>
>
>
> k.unt.resim
>
> *Novellae. Selections*
>
>
>
> h.idushim
>
> *Religious laws. Selections*
>
>
>
> halakhot
>
> *Responsa. Selections*
>
>
>
> teshuvot ; she'elot u-teshuvot
>
> *Sermons. Selections*
>
>
>
> derashot
>
> *Works. Selections*
>
>
>
> devarim ; lik.utim ; peninim
>
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