[Vwoolf] Anyone Know Where This Was Originally Published?

Sun Jul 9 15:33:09 EDT 2023

Dear Virginia Woolf group,

Your discussion of copyright and permission to use images in your scholarly work inspired me to write. I’ve long hoped to see a Virginia Woolf Archive similar to the Walt Whitman Archive (U Nebraska & Iowa), Willa Cather Archive (U Nebraska), or George Eliot Archive (formerly U Nebraska, now Auburn U), where researchers from all over the world can find and freely download the author's published and unpublished writings, images—including portraits of the author and illustrations of her scenes and characters, and hundreds of contemporary reviews. Increasingly, these sites are also providing the advanced search options and data visualization tools to help drill down into the thousands of texts collected.

Of course, it’s much easier for Victorian and Modern authors who published prior to 1928 (rule-of-thumb in US: copyright on published works lasts 95 years), or who died before 1953 (unpublished works are protected for 70 years after the death of the creator). Those texts and images are now in the public domain and require no permission to republish.

You could make a great start with Virginia Woolf because 6 of her 9 published novels are already in the public domain, and if I'm interpreting US copyright law correctly, all the writing she left unpublished at the time of her death (1941), is also available to be published in manuscript images (with transcriptions and editorial apparatus).

I bet the knowledgeable people on this list could create a wonderful digital archive of Virginia Woolf materials. (If there’s already one, I’m sorry not to know of its existence.) You probably have already collected hundreds of manuscript photos, images, and pdf documents to share. One of you could start by opening a shared Box or Dropbox folder for everyone to contribute your digital materials. I learned by working with the creators of the Cather and Whitman sites and then with students to build the George Eliot Archive and I'd be happy to offer advice and answer questions if you'd like to create a simple website, something like the George Eliot Archive. Take a look (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://GeorgeEliotArchive.org__;!!KGKeukY!1x9tHFQ1ez8SOu_wXOJZv43jG2SLVV4MFmVJuCEJg5jLfuWuamwe-pHuYKYqalmIZ_0u4Tw-B9sOGb5zv_oT1okmc5FJEYLhCng$ ) and see what you think.

As one of my colleagues often says, "It doesn't start itself."  Also, the old joke about how to eat an elephant may be apt.

Enthusiastically,
Bev

Beverley Park Rilett, Ph.D.

Associate Research Professor

Special Collections and Archives Department

Auburn University Libraries

231 Mell Street, Auburn University, AL 36849

Bdr0032 at auburn.edu

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From: Vwoolf <vwoolf-bounces+brilett2=gmail.com at lists.osu.edu> on behalf of Mark Hussey via Vwoolf <vwoolf at lists.osu.edu>
Sent: Sunday, July 9, 2023 7:04:14 AM
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Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Anyone Know Where This Was Originally Published?

It might be helpful, particularly to people at an early/earlier stage of their career, to have a sort of forum (here?) on the whole issue of permissions. It’s, as the Americans say, something of a crapshoot. According to a friend who is a professional
It might be helpful, particularly to people at an early/earlier stage of their career, to have a sort of forum (here?) on the whole issue of permissions. It’s, as the Americans say, something of a crapshoot. According to a friend who is a professional picture researcher, for example, whole archives have been bought by wealthy people needing somewhere to park their money, and these typically are impervious to any negotiation. Then again, Peter’s advice is something I’ve followed many times and often successfully when dealing with a human who understands the situation.
Maybe a kind of index to Bloomsbury-related images (an update of Elizabeth Richardson’s invaluable book) would be possible as a crowd-sourced online space? (Says he who has no idea how that might be realized!)

On Saturday, July 8, 2023, 02:34:34 PM PDT, Peter D L Stansky <stansky at stanford.edu> wrote:

Those are quite fine photos of them I’d never seen before. Another way of negotiating is to say you are a poor academic who can only afford to pay xdollars or otherwise won’t use the images. They might prefer to have a little money rather than none. That’s worked for me when I’ve sought permission to reprint articles. Best, Peter

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Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Anyone Know Where This Was Originally Published?

Yes! On Saturday, July 8, 2023, 01: 05: 43 PM PDT, Neverow, Vara S. <neverowv1@ southernct. edu> wrote: You mean "trespass at once"? Vara Neverow (she/her/hers) Professor, English Department Editor, Virginia Woolf Miscellany Southern Connecticut

Yes!

On Saturday, July 8, 2023, 01:05:43 PM PDT, Neverow, Vara S. <neverowv1 at southernct.edu> wrote:

You mean "trespass at once"?

Vara Neverow

(she/her/hers)
Professor, English Department

Editor, Virginia Woolf Miscellany
Southern Connecticut State University
New Haven, CT 06515
203-392-6717
neverowv1 at southernct.edu

I acknowledge that Southern Connecticut State University was built on traditional territory of the indigenous peoples and nations of the Paugussett and Quinnipiac peoples.

Recent Publications:

Lead editor, Virginia Woolf: Critical and Primary Sources (Bloomsbury, 2020; with Jeanne Dubino, Kathryn Simpson, and Gill Lowe); Editor, Volume One, 1975-1984, Virginia Woolf: Critical and Primary Sources (Bloomsbury, 2020); Co-editor, The Edinburgh Companion to Virginia Woolf and Contemporary Global Literature (Edinburgh, 2020; with Jeanne Dubino, Paulina Pająk, Catherine Hollis, and Celiese Lypka)

From: Mark Hussey <mhussey at verizon.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2023 4:02 PM
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Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Anyone Know Where This Was Originally Published?

Oh, I didn’t follow the link just looked at your email.

Unconscionable what entities charge for images! I think scholars should rebel,…

On Saturday, July 8, 2023, 12:44:27 PM PDT, Neverow, Vara S. <neverowv1 at southernct.edu> wrote:

Hi Mark,

Scroll down...you'll see it on the left (or at least I do at: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://artsandculture.google.com/asset/woolf-virginia-1882-1941-novelish/kAEeT-TX3WLjWg__;!!KGKeukY!1x9tHFQ1ez8SOu_wXOJZv43jG2SLVV4MFmVJuCEJg5jLfuWuamwe-pHuYKYqalmIZ_0u4Tw-B9sOGb5zv_oT1okmc5FJewCOZcA$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/artsandculture.google.com/asset/woolf-virginia-1882-1941-novelish/kAEeT-TX3WLjWg__;!!KGKeukY!0xQUO4eueM4qYqCeVm1ljHJspNE-Qzl2aHdjUTV53bdjvrNoKrOikaExEWo482laeuX6fBgXO4gLqoKbwWbeYfN3sBFxbHHeyw$>) . It leads nowhere except the "novelish" connection....here it is with the image....

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Woolf Virginia 1882-1941 Novelish

artsandculture.google.com

Vara

Vara Neverow

(she/her/hers)
Professor, English Department

Editor, Virginia Woolf Miscellany
Southern Connecticut State University
New Haven, CT 06515
203-392-6717
neverowv1 at southernct.edu

I acknowledge that Southern Connecticut State University was built on traditional territory of the indigenous peoples and nations of the Paugussett and Quinnipiac peoples.

Recent Publications:

Lead editor, Virginia Woolf: Critical and Primary Sources (Bloomsbury, 2020; with Jeanne Dubino, Kathryn Simpson, and Gill Lowe); Editor, Volume One, 1975-1984, Virginia Woolf: Critical and Primary Sources (Bloomsbury, 2020); Co-editor, The Edinburgh Companion to Virginia Woolf and Contemporary Global Literature (Edinburgh, 2020; with Jeanne Dubino, Paulina Pająk, Catherine Hollis, and Celiese Lypka)

From: Mark Hussey <mhussey at verizon.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2023 3:41 PM
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Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Anyone Know Where This Was Originally Published?

But the image here (“novelish”!) is not the one Danell sent.

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On Saturday, July 8, 2023, 3:03 PM, Neverow, Vara S. via Vwoolf <vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote:

Title: Woolf Virginia 1882-1941 Novelish Physical Dimensions: B/W PRINT Publisher: TimeLife Usage: For personal non-commercial use only Provider: LIFE Original ID: TimeLife_image_110872280 Credits: Mansell Copyright: © Time Inc. https: //artsandculture. google. com/entity/m080r3

  *   Title: Woolf Virginia 1882-1941 Novelish
  *   Physical Dimensions: B/W PRINT
  *   Publisher: TimeLife
  *   Usage: For personal non-commercial use only
  *   Provider: LIFE
  *   Original ID: TimeLife_image_110872280
  *   Credits: Mansell
  *   Copyright: © Time Inc.

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Adeline Virginia Woolf was an English writer, considered one of the most important modernist 20th-century authors and a pioneer in the use of stream of con...

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I think this is the info. you need (it was a quick search using just the caption plus the names.

Nice find! I can see why it's expensive—Time is not generous.

Vara

Vara Neverow

(she/her/hers)
Professor, English Department

Editor, Virginia Woolf Miscellany
Southern Connecticut State University
New Haven, CT 06515
203-392-6717
neverowv1 at southernct.edu

I acknowledge that Southern Connecticut State University was built on traditional territory of the indigenous peoples and nations of the Paugussett and Quinnipiac peoples.

Recent Publications:

Lead editor, Virginia Woolf: Critical and Primary Sources (Bloomsbury, 2020; with Jeanne Dubino, Kathryn Simpson, and Gill Lowe); Editor, Volume One, 1975-1984, Virginia Woolf: Critical and Primary Sources (Bloomsbury, 2020); Co-editor, The Edinburgh Companion to Virginia Woolf and Contemporary Global Literature (Edinburgh, 2020; with Jeanne Dubino, Paulina Pająk, Catherine Hollis, and Celiese Lypka)

From: Vwoolf <vwoolf-bounces+neverowv1=southernct.edu at lists.osu.edu> on behalf of Danell Jones via Vwoolf <vwoolf at lists.osu.edu>
Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2023 2:46 PM
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Subject: [Vwoolf] Anyone Know Where This Was Originally Published?

Hi All, I am going to be using this image of LW and VW in my forthcoming book. The source is The LIFE Picture Collection. But, I am curious where it originally appeared. Time magazine? It looks to me like a much earlier photograph from the

[Woolf Virginia 1882-1941 Novelish — Google Arts & Culture]

Hi All,

I am going to be using this image of LW and VW in my forthcoming book. The source is The LIFE Picture Collection. But, I am curious where it originally appeared. Time magazine? It looks to me like a much earlier photograph from the one that appeared on the cover of Time.

Just wondering if anyone knows where it first appeared.

Thanks!

Danell

P.S. It is quite expensive to license this particular image for a book, just FYI.

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