[Vwoolf] Fw: Woolf photo

stuart.n.clarke stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com
Mon Jul 10 15:24:14 EDT 2023


I would call them "distancing inverted commas".
Stuart ------ Original Message ------
On  Monday, 10 Jul, 2023 At 19:23, Neverow, Vara 
S.<neverowv1 at southernct.edu> wrote:

  Stuart mentioned "scare quotes." so I went hunting because I had never 
seen that phrase before. This Wikipedia article is quite informative 
(and rather lively!): https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scare_quotes__;!!KGKeukY!yEPoxHl0JFgOUDoxwQE61y_kitr8Vlt9MAIqLS5ZxOQZqknLgwaiOgpSkHPviwOI99FiBsgZJpF4hd-IjR6K28wlEd40YuMEjQ$  
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scare_quotes__;!!KGKeukY!yEPoxHl0JFgOUDoxwQE61y_kitr8Vlt9MAIqLS5ZxOQZqknLgwaiOgpSkHPviwOI99FiBsgZJpF4hd-IjR6K28wlEd40YuMEjQ$ > .  As it indicates, there 
are other rather amusing alternative terms for this technique. They are 
"also  called shudder quotes,[1] 
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scare_quotes*cite_note-1__;Iw!!KGKeukY!yEPoxHl0JFgOUDoxwQE61y_kitr8Vlt9MAIqLS5ZxOQZqknLgwaiOgpSkHPviwOI99FiBsgZJpF4hd-IjR6K28wlEd5TtyNsLw$ > [2] 
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scare_quotes*cite_note-Pinker,_Steven_2014-2__;Iw!!KGKeukY!yEPoxHl0JFgOUDoxwQE61y_kitr8Vlt9MAIqLS5ZxOQZqknLgwaiOgpSkHPviwOI99FiBsgZJpF4hd-IjR6K28wlEd6bhVzPig$ > 
 sneer  quotes,[3] 
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scare_quotes*cite_note-3__;Iw!!KGKeukY!yEPoxHl0JFgOUDoxwQE61y_kitr8Vlt9MAIqLS5ZxOQZqknLgwaiOgpSkHPviwOI99FiBsgZJpF4hd-IjR6K28wlEd4ZSHcvKQ$ >  and quibble 
marks," and  G. E. M. Anscombe (Elizabeth Anscombe), a British analytic 
philosopher, crafted the term in 1956.  
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scare_quotes__;!!KGKeukY!yEPoxHl0JFgOUDoxwQE61y_kitr8Vlt9MAIqLS5ZxOQZqknLgwaiOgpSkHPviwOI99FiBsgZJpF4hd-IjR6K28wlEd40YuMEjQ$ >




  Vara







  Vara  Neverow
  (she/her/hers)
  Professor, English Department

  Editor, Virginia Woolf Miscellany
  Southern Connecticut State University
  New Haven, CT 06515
  203-392-6717
  neverowv1 at southernct.edu





  I acknowledge that Southern Connecticut State University was built on 
traditional territory of  the indigenous peoples and nations of the 
Paugussett and Quinnipiac peoples.  


  Recent Publications:
  Lead editor, Virginia  Woolf: Critical and Primary 
Sources (Bloomsbury, 2020; with Jeanne Dubino, Kathryn Simpson, and Gill 
Lowe); Editor,  Volume One, 1975-1984, Virginia Woolf: Critical and 
Primary Sources (Bloomsbury,  2020); Co-editor, The  Edinburgh Companion 
to Virginia Woolf and Contemporary Global Literature (Edinburgh, 2020; 
with Jeanne Dubino, Paulina Pająk,  Catherine Hollis, and Celiese Lypka)







From: Vwoolf <vwoolf-bounces+neverowv1=southernct.edu at lists.osu.edu> on 
behalf of Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf <vwoolf at lists.osu.edu>
  Sent: Sunday, July 9, 2023 10:51 AM
  To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu <vwoolf at lists.osu.edu>
  Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Fw: Woolf photo
 



  1. C. K. S. is Clement King Shorter: “In 1900, he founded Sphere, 
which he edited up until his death in 1926. ” 
https: //en. wikipedia. org/wiki/Clement_Shorter VW calls him a 
‘reptile’ in letter #744. 2. Note the ref. in the article to ‘good 
stories’








1. C. K. S. is Clement King Shorter: “In  1900, he founded Sphere 
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sphere_(newspaper)__;!!KGKeukY!1hb-ystj2YA8S8E1X0PQFYyTiA3NLFqGkxU9w_Og34E-KKtFQfAYZBUU9fPs5n-jnOd7pGvyCulAKyx7Y7iVEVIPZkvJx15cGg$> 
,  which he edited up until his death in 1926.”

https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clement_Shorter__;!!KGKeukY!yEPoxHl0JFgOUDoxwQE61y_kitr8Vlt9MAIqLS5ZxOQZqknLgwaiOgpSkHPviwOI99FiBsgZJpF4hd-IjR6K28wlEd50MUTGBQ$  
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clement_Shorter__;!!KGKeukY!1hb-ystj2YA8S8E1X0PQFYyTiA3NLFqGkxU9w_Og34E-KKtFQfAYZBUU9fPs5n-jnOd7pGvyCulAKyx7Y7iVEVIPZkubHIP_PA$>

VW calls him a ‘reptile’ in letter #744.

 

2. Note the ref. in the article to ‘good stories’ (middle col. nr 
bottom).  I have raised this issue on an earlier occasion on the list 
(but not clearly I think) over ‘the battle of life’.  Usually, when VW 
uses quote marks in her  essays, she’s quoting, but sometimes they are 
what is now oddly called ‘scare quotes’.  I don’t think Andrew McNeillie 
fully appreciated this, for (e.g.) when VW wrote ‘something which is 
called “the battle of life”’ (E4 426), he annotates it as “The source 
of this apparent quotation has not been discovered” (E4 428 n3).  
Perhaps I, too, had the same problem: for ‘good stories’ and 
‘interesting opinions’, see E6 327 and 328 n4.

 

Stuart

 



 


From: danelljones at bresnan.net

Sent: Sunday, July 9, 2023 2:40 PM

To: 'Stuart N. Clarke' ; vwoolf at lists.osu.edu

Subject: RE: [Vwoolf] Fw: Woolf photo



 




Eureka!
 
Thank you so much Stuart, Stephen, and Alice! It is, indeed, in The 
Sphere and I was able to find it on the British Newspaper Archive once I 
had the title of the article.
 
I did a search of words in the caption earlier but came up with nothing. 
Sometimes databases hide their treasures.
 
I’m attaching it here.
 
We really are a gathering of sleuths!
 
I would gladly add what I have learned about getting licensing for 
photographs to some kind of information pool. My book is being sold a 
trade book so, I believe, the picture  libraries are charging me more 
than they would for an academic publication. I’ve also discovered that 
it depends on how long your publisher can wait to get the 
permissions—sometimes it can take months, so they just go with a picture 
collection that works faster.
 
But Maggie Humm is the person who has done the most with getting images. 
I’m sure she has lots of stories to tell!
 
Thank everyone again. I so appreciate this.
 
Danell
 

From: Vwoolf <vwoolf-bounces+danelljones=bresnan.net at lists.osu.edu> On 
Behalf Of Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf
  Sent: Sunday, July 9, 2023 1:40 AM
  To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu
  Subject: [Vwoolf] Fw: Woolf photo

 

I have a record that "A LITERARY LETTER: Books from the Hogarth Press" 
with the photo appeared in the “Sphere” on Sat, 7 Jun 1924, p. 14 – and 
that I got the info. via Stephen! Was it  tracked down on the British 
Newspaper Archive? It’s almost




 




I have a record that "A LITERARY LETTER: Books from the Hogarth Press" 
with the photo appeared in the “Sphere” on Sat, 7 Jun 1924, p. 14 – and 
that I got the info. via Stephen!  Was it tracked  down on the British 
Newspaper Archive?  It’s almost 3 years since we discussed it.





 


Stuart




 



From: Stephen Barkway via Vwoolf


Sent: Sunday, July 9, 2023 7:06 AM


To: 'Alice Staveley' ; danelljones at bresnan.net


Cc: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu ; 'Gretchen Gerzina'


Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Woolf photo




 




I have a feeling it was used in the Illustrated London News . . . but 
can’t at the moment, say why or when, I’m afraid. Stephen From: Vwoolf 
<vwoolf-bounces+sbarkway=btinternet. com@ lists. osu. edu>  On Behalf Of 
Alice Staveley via VwoolfSent: 

I have a feeling it was used in the Illustrated London News . . . but 
can’t at the moment, say why or when, I’m afraid.
Stephen
 

From: Vwoolf <vwoolf-bounces+sbarkway=btinternet.com at lists.osu.edu> On 
Behalf Of Alice Staveley via Vwoolf
  Sent: Sunday, July 9, 2023 7:00 AM
  To: danelljones at bresnan.net
  Cc: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu; Gretchen Gerzina <ozma at sover.net>
  Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Woolf photo

 

Hi Danell, So excited to see this image pop up — I’m pretty sure it 
comes from The Sphere magazine in the early 1920s (I’m working on a book 
on Woolf as publisher and came across a diary  reference to her being 
photographed for The Sphere, and

Hi Danell,

 


So excited to see this image pop up — I’m pretty sure it comes from The 
Sphere magazine in the early 1920s (I’m working on a book on Woolf as 
publisher and came across a diary reference to her being photographed 
for The Sphere, and was amazed to discover that it actually happened, 
the shots accompanying an article about Leonard and Virginia as cutting 
edge publishers).  I can dig out the reference for you — just email and 
we can sleuth together!  I would be surprised  if Time has ownership 
rights to the image though as The Sphere was definitely a British 
publication (unless of course, as is possible, the image appeared 
transatlantically in another context or Time gobbled up The Sphere at 
some point).  


 


Best wishes


Alice


 


 


 

 

On Jul 8, 2023, at 2:03 PM, Danell Jones via Vwoolf 
<vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote:

 


That's excellent advice, Gretchen.  And I also like the call from you, 
Mark, to rebel. It is such a racket.
  The good news for people looking to use Woolf photos, you can use the 
images from the Houghton Library, Harvard for free: Virginia Woolf 
Monk's House photographs, circa 1867-1967. MS Thr 564 (103). Houghton 
Library, Harvard University.

  Danell
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Vwoolf <vwoolf-bounces at lists.osu.edu> On Behalf Of Gretchen 
Gerzina via Vwoolf
  Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2023 2:50 PM
  To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu
  Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Woolf photo

  Danell,

  In the past, I've been able to negotiate for photos. They have a list 
price, but once or twice I contacted them and said I was an academic who 
had to pay for images out of my own pocket, and they reduced the fee. 
It's worth a try.

  Gretchen

  

  Today's Topics:


  1. Re: Anyone Know Where This Was Originally Published? (Mark Hussey)




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  Message: 1
  Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2023 20:32:23 +0000 (UTC)
  From: Mark Hussey 
<mailto:mhussey at verizon.net%20%3cmailto:mhussey at verizon.net>>
  To: 
"mailto:vwoolf at lists.service.ohio-state.edu%20%3cmailto:vwoolf at lists.service.ohio-state.edu%3e"
 
<mailto:vwoolf at lists.service.ohio-state.edu%20%3cmailto:vwoolf at lists.service.ohio-state.edu>>, 
"mailto:danelljones at bresnan.net%20%3cmailto:danelljones at bresnan.net%3e"
  <mailto:danelljones at bresnan.net%20%3cmailto:danelljones at bresnan.net>>, 
"Neverow, Vara S."
 
<mailto:neverowv1 at southernct.edu%20%3cmailto:neverowv1 at southernct.edu>>
  Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Anyone Know Where This Was Originally Published?
  Message-ID: 
<mailto:1494642056.1435822.1688848344215 at mail.yahoo.com%20%3cmailto:1494642056.1435822.1688848344215 at mail.yahoo.com>>
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"


  Yes!?
  On Saturday, July 8, 2023, 01:05:43 PM PDT, Neverow, Vara S. 
<mailto:neverowv1 at southernct.edu%20%3cmailto:neverowv1 at southernct.edu>> 
wrote:


  You mean "trespass at once"?
  Vara Neverow(she/her/hers)
  Professor, English DepartmentEditor,?Virginia Woolf Miscellany 
Southern Connecticut State University New Haven, CT 06515
  203-392-6717
  neverowv1 at southernct.edu <mailto:neverowv1 at southernct.edu>


  I acknowledge that Southern Connecticut?State?University was built on 
traditional territory?of the indigenous peoples and nations of the 
Paugussett and Quinnipiac?peoples.??








  Recent Publications:


  Lead editor,?Virginia Woolf: Critical and Primary Sources?(Bloomsbury, 
2020; with Jeanne Dubino, Kathryn Simpson, and Gill Lowe); Editor, 
Volume One, 1975-1984,?Virginia Woolf: Critical and Primary 
Sources?(Bloomsbury, 2020);?Co-editor,?The Edinburgh Companion  to 
Virginia Woolf and Contemporary Global Literature?(Edinburgh, 2020; with 
Jeanne Dubino, Paulina?Paj?k, Catherine Hollis, and Celiese Lypka)


  From: Mark Hussey 
<mailto:mhussey at verizon.net%20%3cmailto:mhussey at verizon.net>>
  Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2023 4:02 PM
  To: vwoolf at lists.service.ohio-state.edu 
<mailto:vwoolf at lists.service.ohio-state.edu> 
<mailto:vwoolf at lists.service.ohio-state.edu%20%3cmailto:vwoolf at lists.service.ohio-state.edu>>; 
danelljones at bresnan.net <mailto:danelljones at bresnan.net> 
<mailto:danelljones at bresnan.net%20%3cmailto:danelljones at bresnan.net>>; 
Neverow, Vara S. 
<mailto:neverowv1 at southernct.edu%20%3cmailto:neverowv1 at southernct.edu>>
  Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Anyone Know Where This Was Originally 
Published??Oh, I didn?t follow the link just looked at your 
email.Unconscionable what entities charge for images! I think scholars 
should rebel,?
  On Saturday, July 8, 2023, 12:44:27 PM PDT, Neverow, Vara S. 
<mailto:neverowv1 at southernct.edu%20%3cmailto:neverowv1 at southernct.edu>> 
wrote:


  Hi Mark,
  Scroll down...you'll see it on the left (or at least I do 
at:?https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://artsandculture.google.com/asset/woolf-virginia-1882-1941-novelish/kAEeT-TX3WLjWg__;!!KGKeukY!0xQUO4eueM4qYqCeVm1ljHJspNE-Qzl2aHdjUTV53bdjvrNoKrOikaExEWo482laeuX6fBgXO4gLqoKbwWbeYfN3sBFxbHHeyw$ 
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://artsandculture.google.com/asset/woolf-virginia-1882-1941-novelish/kAEeT-TX3WLjWg__;!!KGKeukY!0xQUO4eueM4qYqCeVm1ljHJspNE-Qzl2aHdjUTV53bdjvrNoKrOikaExEWo482laeuX6fBgXO4gLqoKbwWbeYfN3sBFxbHHeyw$ 
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/artsandculture.google.com/asset/woolf-virginia-1882-1941-novelish/kAEeT-TX3WLjWg__;!!KGKeukY!0xQUO4eueM4qYqCeVm1ljHJspNE-Qzl2aHdjUTV53bdjvrNoKrOikaExEWo482laeuX6fBgXO4gLqoKbwWbeYfN3sBFxbHHeyw$> 
>  ) . It leads nowhere except the "novelish" connection....here it is 
with the image....
  | | Woolf Virginia 1882-1941 Novelish - Google Arts & CultureWoolf
  | | Virginia 1882-1941 Novelishartsandculture.google.com |


  Vara
  Vara Neverow(she/her/hers)
  Professor, English DepartmentEditor,?Virginia Woolf Miscellany 
Southern Connecticut State University New Haven, CT 06515
  203-392-6717
  neverowv1 at southernct.edu <mailto:neverowv1 at southernct.edu>


  I acknowledge that Southern Connecticut?State?University was built on 
traditional territory?of the indigenous peoples and nations of the 
Paugussett and Quinnipiac?peoples.??








  Recent Publications:


  Lead editor,?Virginia Woolf: Critical and Primary Sources?(Bloomsbury, 
2020; with Jeanne Dubino, Kathryn Simpson, and Gill Lowe); Editor, 
Volume One, 1975-1984,?Virginia Woolf: Critical and Primary 
Sources?(Bloomsbury, 2020);?Co-editor,?The Edinburgh Companion  to 
Virginia Woolf and Contemporary Global Literature?(Edinburgh, 2020; with 
Jeanne Dubino, Paulina?Paj?k, Catherine Hollis, and Celiese Lypka)


  From: Mark Hussey 
<mailto:mhussey at verizon.net%20%3cmailto:mhussey at verizon.net>>
  Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2023 3:41 PM
  To: Neverow, Vara S. 
<mailto:neverowv1 at southernct.edu%20%3cmailto:neverowv1 at southernct.edu>>; 
vwoolf at lists.service.ohio-state.edu 
<mailto:vwoolf at lists.service.ohio-state.edu> 
<mailto:vwoolf at lists.service.ohio-state.edu%20%3cmailto:vwoolf at lists.service.ohio-state.edu>>; 
danelljones at bresnan.net <mailto:danelljones at bresnan.net> 
<mailto:danelljones at bresnan.net%20%3cmailto:danelljones at bresnan.net>>
  Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Anyone Know Where This Was Originally 
Published??But the image here (?novelish?!) is not the one Danell sent.




  Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS




  On Saturday, July 8, 2023, 3:03 PM, Neverow, Vara S. via Vwoolf 
<mailto:vwoolf at lists.osu.edu%20%3cmailto:vwoolf at lists.osu.edu>> wrote:


  Title: Woolf Virginia 1882-1941 Novelish Physical Dimensions: B/W 
PRINT Publisher: TimeLife Usage: For personal non-commercial use only 
Provider: LIFE Original ID: TimeLife_image_110872280 Credits: Mansell 
Copyright: ? Time Inc. 
https:?//artsandculture.?google.?com/entity/m080r3
  - Title:?Woolf Virginia 1882-1941 Novelish
  - Physical Dimensions:?B/W PRINT
  - Publisher:?TimeLife
  - Usage:?For personal non-commercial use only
  - Provider:?LIFE
  - Original ID:?TimeLife_image_110872280
  - Credits:?Mansell
  - Copyright:?? Time Inc.
 
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://artsandculture.google.com/entity/m080r3__;!!KGKeukY!0xQUO4eueM4qYqCeVm1ljHJspNE-Qzl2aHdjUTV53bdjvrNoKrOikaExEWo482laeuX6fBgXO4gLqoKbwWbeYfN3sBEa4Prckw$ 
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/artsandculture.google.com/entity/m080r3__;!!KGKeukY!0xQUO4eueM4qYqCeVm1ljHJspNE-Qzl2aHdjUTV53bdjvrNoKrOikaExEWo482laeuX6fBgXO4gLqoKbwWbeYfN3sBEa4Prckw$> 
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://artsandculture.google.com/entity/m080r3__;!!KGKeukY!0xQUO4eueM4qYqCeVm1ljHJspNE-Qzl2aHdjUTV53bdjvrNoKrOikaExEWo482laeuX6fBgXO4gLqoKbwWbeYfN3sBEa4Prckw$ 
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/artsandculture.google.com/entity/m080r3__;!!KGKeukY!0xQUO4eueM4qYqCeVm1ljHJspNE-Qzl2aHdjUTV53bdjvrNoKrOikaExEWo482laeuX6fBgXO4gLqoKbwWbeYfN3sBEa4Prckw$> 
>


  | | Virginia Woolf - Google Arts & CultureAdeline Virginia Woolf was 
an English writer, considered one of the most important modernist 
20th-century authors and a pioneer in the use of stream of 
con...artsandculture.google.com |


  I think this is the info. you need (it was a quick search using just 
the caption plus the names.?
  Nice find! I can see why it's expensive?Timeis not generous.?
  Vara
  Vara Neverow(she/her/hers)
  Professor, English DepartmentEditor,?Virginia Woolf Miscellany
  Southern Connecticut State University
  New Haven, CT 06515
  203-392-6717
  neverowv1 at southernct.edu <mailto:neverowv1 at southernct.edu>


  I acknowledge that Southern Connecticut?State?University was built on 
traditional territory?of the indigenous peoples and nations of the 
Paugussett and Quinnipiac?peoples.??








  Recent Publications:


  Lead editor,?Virginia Woolf: Critical and Primary Sources?(Bloomsbury, 
2020; with Jeanne Dubino, Kathryn Simpson, and Gill Lowe); Editor, 
Volume One, 1975-1984,?Virginia Woolf: Critical and Primary 
Sources?(Bloomsbury, 2020);?Co-editor,?The Edinburgh Companion  to 
Virginia Woolf and Contemporary Global Literature?(Edinburgh, 2020; with 
Jeanne Dubino, Paulina?Paj?k, Catherine Hollis, and Celiese Lypka)


  From: Vwoolf 
<mailto:vwoolf-bounces+neverowv1=southernct.edu at lists.osu.edu%20%3cmailto:southernct.edu at lists.osu.edu>> 
on behalf of Danell Jones via Vwoolf 
<mailto:vwoolf at lists.osu.edu%20%3cmailto:vwoolf at lists.osu.edu>>
  Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2023 2:46 PM
  To: vwoolf at lists.service.ohio-state.edu 
<mailto:vwoolf at lists.service.ohio-state.edu> 
<mailto:vwoolf at lists.service.ohio-state.edu%20%3cmailto:vwoolf at lists.service.ohio-state.edu>>
  Subject: [Vwoolf] Anyone Know Where This Was Originally Published??Hi 
All, I am going to be using this image of LW and VW in my forthcoming 
book. The source is The LIFE Picture Collection. But, I am curious where 
it originally appeared. Time magazine? It looks  to me like a much 
earlier photograph from the




  ?


  Hi All,


  ?


  I am going to be using this image of LW and VW in my forthcoming book. 
The source is The LIFE Picture Collection. But, I am curious where it 
originally appeared. Time magazine? It looks to me like a much earlier 
photograph from the one that appeared on the  cover ofTime.


  ?


  Just wondering if anyone knows where it first appeared.


  ?


  Thanks!


  ?


  Danell


  ?


  P.S. It is quite expensive to license this particular image for a 
book, just FYI.


  ?


  ?
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