[Vwoolf] TLS review of biography of Arnold Bennett, and Virginia Woolf
Gretchen Gerzina
ozma at sover.net
Mon May 16 15:55:30 EDT 2022
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It is behind a paywall, but perhaps some of you have access to the TLS:
A writer with class
A new biography sets up the clash between Arnold Bennett and Virginia Woolf
By Margaret Drabble
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.the-tls.co.uk/articles/arnold-bennett-lost-icon-patrick-donovan-book-review-margaret-drabble/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=TLS*202022*2005*2013&utm_term=TLS_Audience__;JSUl!!KGKeukY!xSJ8wxZjDfV1KvwB59TXojSJRWUMWGlyoH0qu0LsFD4RKyxuMPh3zfOtZLvwd7nNrcYT1ao54ayA6W4$
--Gretchen Gerzina
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1. NYTimes: My College Students Are Not OK?are students of
Virginia Woolf different? (Kllevenback)
2. Re: Giles (ex names and nations) (Mark Hussey)
3. Re: Giles (ex names and nations) (Shilo McGiff)
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Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 04:01:03 -0400
From: Kllevenback <kllevenback at att.net>
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Subject: [Vwoolf] NYTimes: My College Students Are Not OK?are students
of Virginia Woolf different?
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Just wondering?.
Karen Levenback
My College Students Are Not OK
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/13/opinion/college-university-remote-pandemic.html?referringSource=articleShare__;!!KGKeukY!2pFnD0YRC_FeLImdN3-bwfiGpb7lyf7a1cqvkdetkrib13cu0koL9FApgohQM51sxSrM3JdjffQHrOG8NN_12gA$
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Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 12:58:39 +0000 (UTC)
From: Mark Hussey <mhussey at verizon.net>
To: "Stuart N. Clarke" <stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com>, Vwoolf
Listerve <vwoolf at lists.osu.edu>
Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Giles (ex names and nations)
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Sorry if I?ve overlooked a post, but? Giles Lytton Strachey?
On Sunday, May 15, 2022, 12:12:37 PM EDT, Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf <vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote:
Giles is not very common in Woolf. It was a popular name in the medieval period (St Giles was the patron saint of ?cripples?), and appropriately there?s a Giles Martyn in ?The Journal of Mistress Joan Martyn?. Giles sounds a posh name to me,Giles is not very common in Woolf.? It was a popular name in the medieval period (St Giles was the patron saint of ?cripples?), and appropriately there?s a Giles Martyn in ?The Journal of Mistress Joan Martyn?.? Giles sounds a posh name to me, and indeed a distant cousin of Woolf?s was Sir Gyles Isham, Bt (see letter no. 2690), who nevertheless was an ACTOR:https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyles_Isham__;!!KGKeukY!zyj8oUENhg2KrmHjwUUVOgHMcQeV-iHt3a5l2lWfKJ-Smp3d1-5FEjwTcsZw3RfHgI-bigtOP-T0XX09pqVR9A$ ?Stuart?From: Jeremy Hawthorn via Vwoolf Sent: S
unday, May 15, 2022 10:00 AMTo: VWOOLF at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: [Vwoolf] names and nations?Stuart?s exasperation reminds me of this passage from Joseph Heller?s Catch 22 ? it deals with surnames rather than given names, but the emotions inspired are similar. Colonel Cathcart has realized how often the name Yossarian
Stuart?s exasperation reminds me of this passage from Joseph Heller?s Catch 22 ? it deals with surnames rather than given names, but the emotions inspired are similar. Colonel Cathcart has realized how often the name Yossarian is associated with events that dealt him metaphorical black eyes.
?
Yossarian - the very sight of the name made him shudder. There were so many esses in it. It just had to be subversive. It was like the word subversive itself. It was like seditious and insidious too, and like socialist, suspicious, fascist and Communist. It was an odious, alien distasteful name, that just did not inspire confidence. It was not at all like such clean, crisp, honest American names as Cathcart, Peckem and Dreedle.
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(Why does Heller give ?Communist? a capital letter?)
?
One Woolf name I have often wondered about is Giles, in Between the Acts. What associations does that name have for readers - or did it have for Woolf?
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Jeremy H
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Jeremy Hawthorn
Professor Emeritus
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7491 Trondheim
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Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 12:24:43 -0400
From: Shilo McGiff <srm10 at cornell.edu>
To: Mark Hussey <mhussey at verizon.net>
Cc: Vwoolf Listerve <vwoolf at lists.osu.edu>
Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Giles (ex names and nations)
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What of "Gilles" as a stock figure in French farce?
In any event, "little goat" gives this (somewhat) modern student of
pastoral...a frisson.
Happy Monday, All.
SRM
On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 8:58 AM Mark Hussey via Vwoolf <vwoolf at lists.osu.edu>
wrote:
> Sorry if I?ve overlooked a post, but? Giles Lytton Strachey
>
> On Sunday, May 15, 2022, 12:12:37 PM EDT, Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf <
> vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote:
>
>
> Giles is not very common in Woolf. It was a popular name in the medieval
> period (St Giles was the patron saint of ?cripples?), and appropriately
> there?s a Giles Martyn in ?The Journal of Mistress Joan Martyn?. Giles
> sounds a posh name to me,
> Giles is not very common in Woolf. It was a popular name in the medieval
> period (St Giles was the patron saint of ?cripples?), and appropriately
> there?s a Giles Martyn in ?The Journal of Mistress Joan Martyn?. Giles
> sounds a posh name to me, and indeed a distant cousin of Woolf?s was Sir
> Gyles Isham, Bt (see letter no. 2690), who nevertheless was an ACTOR:
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyles_Isham__;!!KGKeukY!29ygSF2vrKsupppdaJi-BU5qwU7p5Zhyuxk0HY_PMXgViAklx7HpMUPdpNk_sxg4pBsxfryCzPajhyQOn8hW$
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyles_Isham__;!!KGKeukY!2q9eNjnnq9Wq29f7uwXV7BpR0hHa9Ugyp4UbHmVmdFQzy7d6URIJK4QyBXyFumNoYXC_euI-5Yz0Xa3lIWidolLyIkB1JViURagalBTYIQ$>
>
> Stuart
>
> *From:* Jeremy Hawthorn via Vwoolf
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 15, 2022 10:00 AM
> *To:* VWOOLF at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu
> *Subject:* [Vwoolf] names and nations
>
> Stuart?s exasperation reminds me of this passage from Joseph Heller?s
> Catch 22 ? it deals with surnames rather than given names, but the emotions
> inspired are similar. Colonel Cathcart has realized how often the name
> Yossarian
>
> Stuart?s exasperation reminds me of this passage from Joseph Heller?s *Catch
> 22* ? it deals with surnames rather than given names, but the emotions
> inspired are similar. Colonel Cathcart has realized how often the name
> Yossarian is associated with events that dealt him metaphorical black eyes.
>
>
>
> *Yossarian* - the very sight of the name made him shudder. There were so
> many esses in it. It just had to be subversive. It was like the word
> *subversive* itself. It was like *seditious* and *insidious* too, and
> like *socialist*, *suspicious*, *fascist* and *Communist*. It was an
> odious, alien distasteful name, that just did not inspire confidence. It
> was not at all like such clean, crisp, honest American names as Cathcart,
> Peckem and Dreedle.
>
>
>
> (Why does Heller give ?Communist? a capital letter?)
>
>
>
> One Woolf name I have often wondered about is Giles, in *Between the Acts*.
> What associations does that name have for readers - or did it have for
> Woolf?
>
>
>
> Jeremy H
>
>
>
>
>
> Jeremy Hawthorn
>
> Professor Emeritus
>
> NTNU
>
> 7491 Trondheim
>
> Norway
>
>
>
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Shilo R. McGiff, PhD
The Woolf Salon Project
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