[Vwoolf] Vwoolf Digest, Vol 120, Issue 10
Dina C.G.
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> Then again, there?s Daisy Fellowes, aka Marguerite S?verine Philippine
> Decazes de Gl?cksberg ?
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> From: Vwoolf <vwoolf-bounces+mhussey=verizon.net at lists.osu.edu> On Behalf
> Of Jeremy Hawthorn via Vwoolf
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> There is probably an obvious natural symbolism at work here. Daisies grow
> wild and are common. In the British comedy series ?Keeping up Appearances?
> the snobbish Mrs Bucket (pronounced bouquet) is named Hyacinth, while her
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> There is probably an obvious natural symbolism at work here. Daisies grow
> wild and are common. In the British comedy series ?Keeping up Appearances?
> the snobbish Mrs Bucket (pronounced bouquet) is named Hyacinth, while her
> disreputable and slovenly sister is named Daisy. Then there are Daisy
> Miller, and Daisy in The Great Gatsby.
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> As for the belief that non-European beauty fades fast, here are a few
> lines from Conrad?s second novel, An Outcast of the Islands, which is set
> before the time of Almayer?s Folly (and to complete this backwards
> movement, the third novel in the series, The Resue, is set prior to both of
> the other novels in the trilogy). At the end of An Outcast of the Islands,
> a ?traveller? asks Almayer about the beautiful A?ssa, who has figured
> prominently in the novel.
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> ?You have seen her. She brought in the dinner with Ali.?
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> ?What! That doubled-up crone??
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> ?Ah!? said Almayer. ?They age quickly here. And long foggy
> nights spent in the bush will soon break the strongest backs ? as you will
> find out yourself soon.?
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> ?Dis . . . disgusting,? growled the traveller.?
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> Going off at a tangent, does anyone else share my perception that the less
> attractive the man , the more likely it is that he will comment on the
> beauty or otherwise of women?
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> Emne: Re: [Vwoolf] Daisy
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> It?s a dodgy business pontificating about names: one tends to impose one?s
> own prejudices and one?s own times on them. E.g. Emily ? quaintly Victorian
> to me. Pams are all of a certain age; Susans not much better. Daisy was a
> nickname for Margaret,
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> It?s a dodgy business pontificating about names: one tends to impose one?s
> own prejudices and one?s own times on them. E.g. Emily ? quaintly
> Victorian to me. Pams are all of a certain age; Susans not much better.
> Daisy was a nickname for Margaret, then had a life of its own when flower
> names became popular at the end of the 19th C. Daisy was born about the
> time of Daisy?s greatest popularity. I wonder if that popularity was
> influenced by the music-hall song (that everyone still knows, even small
> children). If so, that suggests to me that those influenced are not likely
> to have been the well-to-do. (I always think of it as a ?common? name ? I
> don?t think I?ve ever met a Daisy.) Duncan Grant?s aunt was Daisy McNeil
> (d. 1947).
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> It has to be remembered that the Raj was a very middle class closed
> society, consisting largely of young and middle-aged people. There was no
> aristocracy (except the Viceroy), no working classes (no jobs for them,
> except ordinary soldiers in the Indian Army), no elderly (they?ve retired
> Home), no children (they?ve been sent off to boarding school, preferably at
> Home).
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> As for half-caste women, they were often observed to be very beautiful
> (rather than ?pretty?). The trouble was, it was remarked, they didn?t last.
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> ?The British who chose to stay on [in India] were mainly from the lower
> levels of society, often retired soldiers, who got jobs on the railways.
> They married girls who called themselves European but who were widely
> suspected of being Eurasian. ... They were a sad group, not wanting to be
> Indian yet not accepted fully as part of the ruling race. Respectable
> British society laughed at them ... They were not asked to join the Clubs
> or invited to the best parties. ... The [Eurasian] girls, who were often
> very beautiful, tried to obliterate any hint of Indian blood with powder
> and paint preparations which promised ?Four shades whiter in four weeks!?
> Their dream was to marry a British husband and go Home [where they had
> never been].? (?Women of the Raj? by Margaret MacMillan (2nd edn, 2018),
> pp. 58-9).
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> Stuart
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> ?Half-caste woman, living a life apart,
>
> ?Where did your story begin??
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> (Noel Coward, 1931)
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> Subject: [Vwoolf] Daisy
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> For some reason the popularity of the name Daisy in the UK plunged
> dramatically (why?) just about when Woolf was writing Mrs Dalloway. See
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> This of course may not apply to India, and in ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
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> For some reason the popularity of the name Daisy in the UK plunged
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> This of course may not apply to India, and in Mrs Dalloway Daisy would
> presumably have been baptised when the name was popular.
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> I wonder if, in terms of class, ?Daisy? suggests the lower end of the
> social scale.
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> Peter Walsh is 53 and Daisy is 24, married, and with 2 children. All this
> would raise an eyebrow even today . . . It certainly is striking that every
> time Peter Walsh thinks of her, the word ?dark? is used. ?Out came with his
> pocket-knife a snapshot of Daisy on the verandah; Daisy all in white, with
> a fox-terrier on her knee; very charming, very dark; the best he had ever
> seen of her.? ?And the dark, adorably pretty girl on the verandah exclaimed
> (he could hear her).? ?Vainly the dark, adorably pretty girl ran to the end
> of the terrace; vainly waved her hand; vainly cried she didn't care a straw
> what people said.? ?(and the dark, adorably pretty face was on top of the
> envelopes)?.
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> As for attitudes towards those of mixed ethnic backgrounds, Joseph
> Conrad?s first novel Almayer?s Folly, set in Bornean Sambir and published
> in 1895, includes a meeting between Dutch officers, Almayer, and his
> ?half-caste? daughter Nina. One young officer is taken aback by Nina?s
> beauty.
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> ?The young sub began to recover from the astonishment and confusion caused
> by Nina's unexpected appearance and great beauty. "She was very beautiful
> and imposing," he reflected, "but after all a half-caste girl." This
> thought caused him to pluck up heart and look at Nina sideways. Nina, with
> composed face, was answering in a low, even voice the elder officer's
> polite questions as to the country and her mode of life.?
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> ANd Daisy Buchanon in *The Great Gatsby, *1925 -- definitely upper-crusty.
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