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Then again, there’s Daisy Fellowes, aka Marguerite Séverine Philippine Decazes de Glücksberg … From: Vwoolf <vwoolf-bounces+mhussey=verizon.net@lists.osu.edu> On Behalf Of Jeremy Hawthorn via Vwoolf Sent: Saturday, May 7, 2022 11:21 AM
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Then again, there’s Daisy Fellowes, aka Marguerite Séverine Philippine Decazes de Glücksberg …<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> Vwoolf <vwoolf-bounces+mhussey=verizon.net@lists.osu.edu> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jeremy Hawthorn via Vwoolf<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, May 7, 2022 11:21 AM<br><b>To:</b> Stuart N. Clarke <stuart.n.clarke@btinternet.com>; vwoolf@lists.osu.edu<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vwoolf] Daisy<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-line-height-alt:.75pt'><span style='font-size:1.0pt;color:white'>There is probably an obvious natural symbolism at work here. Daisies grow wild and are common. In the British comedy series “Keeping up Appearances” the snobbish Mrs Bucket (pronounced bouquet) is named Hyacinth, while her disreputable and <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-line-height-alt:.75pt'><span style='font-size:1.0pt;color:white'>ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%;border-radius:4px'><tr><td style='padding:12.0pt 0in 12.0pt 0in'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%;background:#CFD3D7;border:none;border-top:solid #8C8E91 3.0pt'><tr><td valign=top style='border:none;padding:0in 7.5pt 3.75pt 4.5pt'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 align=left><tr><td style='padding:3.0pt 6.0pt 3.0pt 6.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>This Message Is From an External Sender <o:p></o:p></span></b></p></td></tr><tr><td style='padding:3.0pt 6.0pt 3.0pt 6.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>This message came from outside your organization. <o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr></table><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 align=right><tr><td style='padding:3.0pt 0in 3.0pt 0in'><p class=MsoNormal> <a href="https://us-phishalarm-ewt.proofpoint.com/EWT/v1/KGKeukY!vOQf0UZNA6bhRRdxHw6kd_8Qce7sypKqf_F7vwTqAJlYLqkzZd51tij15Y7UfhxnGjDZy8luwGYXMENFPzFxNGAOG4U4gltqfNZKULWGKU82Q2DMZ5iZHsm2Eh4ye09QxtwzWQ060yHXqw$" target="_blank"><strong><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;border:solid #666666 1.0pt;padding:6.0pt;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none'> Report Suspicious </span></strong></a> <span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></td></tr></table><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-line-height-alt:.75pt'><span style='font-size:1.0pt;color:white'>ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'>There is probably an obvious natural symbolism at work here. Daisies grow wild and are common. In the British comedy series “Keeping up Appearances” the snobbish Mrs Bucket (pronounced bouquet) is named Hyacinth, while her disreputable and slovenly sister is named Daisy. Then there are Daisy Miller, and Daisy in The Great Gatsby.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'>As for the belief that non-European beauty fades fast, here are a few lines from Conrad’s second novel, <i>An Outcast of the Islands</i>, which is set before the time of <i>Almayer’s Folly</i> (and to complete this backwards movement, the third novel in the series, <i>The Resue</i>, is set prior to both of the other novels in the trilogy). At the end of <i>An Outcast of the Islands</i>, a “traveller” asks Almayer about the beautiful Aïssa, who has figured prominently in the novel.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'>‘You have seen her. She brought in the dinner with Ali.”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'> “What! That doubled-up crone?”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'> “Ah!” said Almayer. “They age quickly here. And long foggy nights spent in the bush will soon break the strongest backs – as you will find out yourself soon.”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'> “Dis . . . disgusting,” growled the traveller.’<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'>Going off at a tangent, does anyone else share my perception that the less attractive the man , the more likely it is that he will comment on the beauty or otherwise of women?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'>Jeremy H<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB'>Fra:</span></b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB'> Vwoolf <<a href="mailto:vwoolf-bounces@lists.osu.edu">vwoolf-bounces@lists.osu.edu</a>> <b>På vegne av </b>Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf<br><b>Sendt:</b> lørdag 7. mai 2022 17:01<br><b>Til:</b> <a href="mailto:vwoolf@lists.osu.edu">vwoolf@lists.osu.edu</a><br><b>Emne:</b> Re: [Vwoolf] Daisy<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-line-height-alt:.75pt'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:1.0pt;color:white'>It’s a dodgy business pontificating about names: one tends to impose one’s own prejudices and one’s own times on them. E.g. Emily – quaintly Victorian to me. Pams are all of a certain age; Susans not much better. Daisy was a nickname for Margaret, </span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:1.0pt;color:white;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-line-height-alt:.75pt'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:1.0pt;color:white'>ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%;border-radius:4px'><tr><td style='padding:12.0pt 0in 12.0pt 0in'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%;background:#CFD3D7;border:none;border-top:solid #8C8E91 3.0pt'><tr><td valign=top style='border:none;padding:0in 7.5pt 3.75pt 4.5pt'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 align=left><tr><td style='padding:3.0pt 6.0pt 3.0pt 6.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>This Message Is From an External Sender <o:p></o:p></span></b></p></td></tr><tr><td style='padding:3.0pt 6.0pt 3.0pt 6.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>This message came from outside your organization. <o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr></table><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 align=right><tr><td style='padding:3.0pt 0in 3.0pt 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> <a href="https://us-phishalarm-ewt.proofpoint.com/EWT/v1/KGKeukY!sGQdPeZPo8hhajmxnw7E9klPorj-NLXdb0fD9erAxgFtv0YPimSLf2YiTzAndZ3JuFLeJVNCDXWUvEzmXZDu0vdqHjxpkA$" target="_blank"><strong><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;border:solid #666666 1.0pt;padding:6.0pt;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none'> Report Suspicious </span></strong></a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></td></tr></table><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-line-height-alt:.75pt'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:1.0pt;color:white'>ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>It’s a dodgy business pontificating about names: one tends to impose one’s own prejudices and one’s own times on them. E.g. Emily – quaintly Victorian to me. Pams are all of a certain age; Susans not much better. Daisy was a nickname for Margaret, then had a life of its own when flower names became popular at the end of the 19th C. Daisy was born about the time of Daisy’s greatest popularity. I wonder if that popularity was influenced by the music-hall song (that everyone still knows, even small children). If so, that suggests to me that those influenced are not likely to have been the well-to-do. (I always think of it as a “common” name – I don’t think I’ve ever met a Daisy.) Duncan Grant’s aunt was Daisy McNeil (d. 1947).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>It has to be remembered that the Raj was a very middle class closed society, consisting largely of young and middle-aged people. There was no aristocracy (except the Viceroy), no working classes (no jobs for them, except ordinary soldiers in the Indian Army), no elderly (they’ve retired Home), no children (they’ve been sent off to boarding school, preferably at Home).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>As for half-caste women, they were often observed to be very beautiful (rather than “pretty”). The trouble was, it was remarked, they didn’t last.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>“The British who chose to stay on [in India] were mainly from the lower levels of society, often retired soldiers, who got jobs on the railways. They married girls who called themselves European but who were widely suspected of being Eurasian. ... They were a sad group, not wanting to be Indian yet not accepted fully as part of the ruling race. Respectable British society laughed at them ... They were not asked to join the Clubs or invited to the best parties. ... The [Eurasian] girls, who were often very beautiful, tried to obliterate any hint of Indian blood with powder and paint preparations which promised ‘Four shades whiter in four weeks!’ Their dream was to marry a British husband and go Home [where they had never been].” (“Women of the Raj” by Margaret MacMillan (2nd edn, 2018), pp. 58-9).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Stuart<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>“Half-caste woman, living a life apart,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>“Where did your story begin?”<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>(Noel Coward, 1931)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> Jeremy Hawthorn via Vwoolf <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Sent:</span></b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> Saturday, May 7, 2022 2:20 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>To:</span></b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> <a href="mailto:VWOOLF@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu">VWOOLF@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Subject:</span></b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> [Vwoolf] Daisy<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-line-height-alt:.75pt'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:1.0pt;color:white'>For some reason the popularity of the name Daisy in the UK plunged dramatically (why?) just about when Woolf was writing Mrs Dalloway. See <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.ukbabynames.com/girls/daisy__;!!KGKeukY!yrXONB7oJZX-AIGKRMDEvABmlLiPdqqqTQpz2FXm6uFw_8QVNrU0zZHwtLHqQ3fOUgoAykloI3z47GRM3mOs_2E18aUeVECsoQ$">https://www.ukbabynames.com/girls/daisy</a> This of course may not apply to India, and in <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-line-height-alt:.75pt'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:1.0pt;color:white'>ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%;border-radius: 4px'><tr><td style='padding:12.0pt 0in 12.0pt 0in'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%;background:#CFD3D7;border:none;border-top:solid #8C8E91 3.0pt'><tr><td valign=top style='border:none;padding:0in 7.5pt 3.75pt 4.5pt'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 align=left><tr><td style='padding:3.0pt 6.0pt 3.0pt 6.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>This Message Is From an External Sender <o:p></o:p></span></b></p></td></tr><tr><td style='padding:3.0pt 6.0pt 3.0pt 6.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>This message came from outside your organization. <o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></span></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 align=right><tr><td style='padding:3.0pt 0in 3.0pt 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'> <a href="https://us-phishalarm-ewt.proofpoint.com/EWT/v1/KGKeukY!vOQf0UZNA6bhRRdxHw6keeiDqihaHHhHmostB_IoMr8v92fXVPPE2lJ8vsuPR9kUdH0NYrQvLlbmw43vPU026Kf3wQoJIQos0KjS-nbI0UtGSZc1uOQFbXJ3hTh47p_mxyNvZUL3VWiMrApg1j26oJ0$" target="_blank"><strong><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;border:solid #666666 1.0pt;padding:6.0pt;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none'> Report Suspicious </span></strong></a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></td></tr></table><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-line-height-alt:.75pt'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:1.0pt;color:white'>ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>For some reason the popularity of the name Daisy in the UK plunged dramatically (why?) just about when Woolf was writing <i>Mrs Dalloway</i>. See<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.ukbabynames.com/girls/daisy__;!!KGKeukY!1S2yEmBWFgTFAjrMnEvH_JfL9aUkYyh3R_OlksbH7IGauwlvYAiX0dg-FuQ1Q4Q6UH1Nfj5MmKw1-1IiiSBOoq7vwSH3U_bQV5BAy9c$">https://www.ukbabynames.com/girls/daisy</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>This of course may not apply to India, and in <i>Mrs Dalloway</i> Daisy would presumably have been baptised when the name was popular.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>I wonder if, in terms of class, “Daisy” suggests the lower end of the social scale.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>Peter Walsh is 53 and Daisy is 24, married, and with 2 children. All this would raise an eyebrow even today . . . It certainly is striking that every time Peter Walsh thinks of her, the word “dark” is used. “Out came with his pocket-knife a snapshot of Daisy on the verandah; Daisy all in white, with a fox-terrier on her knee; very charming, very dark; the best he had ever seen of her.” “And the dark, adorably pretty girl on the verandah exclaimed (he could hear her).” “Vainly the dark, adorably pretty girl ran to the end of the terrace; vainly waved her hand; vainly cried she didn't care a straw what people said.” “(and the dark, adorably pretty face was on top of the envelopes)”. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>As for attitudes towards those of mixed ethnic backgrounds, Joseph Conrad’s first novel <i>Almayer’s Folly</i>, set in Bornean Sambir and published in 1895, includes a meeting between Dutch officers, Almayer, and his “half-caste” daughter Nina. One young officer is taken aback by Nina’s beauty.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>‘The young sub began to recover from the astonishment and confusion caused by Nina's unexpected appearance and great beauty. "She was very beautiful and imposing," he reflected, "but after all a half-caste girl." This thought caused him to pluck up heart and look at Nina sideways. Nina, with composed face, was answering in a low, even voice the elder officer's polite questions as to the country and her mode of life.’<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB'>Jeremy Hawthorn<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB'>Professor Emeritus<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB'>NTNU<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB'>7491 Trondheim<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB'>Norway<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB'>_______________________________________________<br>Vwoolf mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Vwoolf@lists.osu.edu">Vwoolf@lists.osu.edu</a><br><a href="https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf">https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>