[Ohiogift] Ed Week article on colleges accepting credits for AP, dual enrollment etc.

Mon Jan 5 22:48:11 EST 2015

Thanks, Mary, that actually makes me feel better;  I so often feel I have
somehow failed my children, though I know I have not.  I got a GED a year
after my class graduated.  I am probably the first and only person to ever
flunk out of Honors English (was having a very bad year and then found
myself with an "A" in a low level English class).  So, I am sympathetic to
my son and all the gifted kids who just do not like school at some point or
other.

An argument is here for the very real need for a better system to
educate/engage them.

Katie Thurston

On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Gifted and Talented in Ohio Discussion List
<ohiogift at lists.osu.edu> wrote:

> My older child (a daughter) did not want to go to college when she
> graduated high school in 1997.  She was a good student (probably gifted in
> science, but not identified nor served), and I could not blame her for not
> wanting to go.  She has been working as an aircraft maintenance technician
> for 14 years, and seems to enjoy it.  I think that is a field where some
> very smart students go to chill out from the education system.  Some of her
> classes in the aricraft maintenance technician field seemed to be as tough
> as engineering school.
>
> Our identified gifted son (6 years younger) went to college full time
> through PSEO after 8th grade.  If he had not been able to go then, I am
> sure he would have had the same attitude about college and school by high
> school graduation his older sister did.  My daughter did not even want to
> bother to attend her high school graduation.
>
> Mary Collier
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gifted and Talented in Ohio Discussion List <ohiogift at lists.osu.edu>
> To: ohiogift <ohiogift at lists.osu.edu>
> Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 5:27 am
> Subject: Re: [Ohiogift] Ed Week article on colleges accepting credits for
> AP, dual enrollment etc.
>
>  I used to want my gifted son to excel in school and attend college.  Not
> so much now.
>
>  He wants to just finish the part time Virtual High School curriculum and
> go to work.
>
>  And I understand completely.
>
>  K. Thurston
>
> On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 4:10 PM, Gifted and Talented in Ohio Discussion
> List <ohiogift at lists.osu.edu> wrote:
>
>>      Beneath all this is the undercurrent of bigger issues.  We
>> essentially have some elite colleges promoting the status quo oligarchy
>> approach to elite colleges for those students and parents who look at
>> colleges as more a social status ritual for four or more years than an
>> education system for societal needs and cultural sustenance.  According to
>> former labor secretary Reich's column
>> http://robertreich.org/post/99923361875, we essentially subsidize these
>> elite colleges more through our tax code - the rich can afford to
>> contribute (and deduct) large donations to protect their own elite
>> schools.  These schools cater to the wealthy who do not necessarily need an
>> education to acquire quality of life sustenance or really have an interest
>> in serving societal needs in their educational pursuits.
>>
>> As I recall Profesor/Dr. Murray Sperber in his book "Beer and Circus -
>> how big time college sports has crippled undergraduate education" divides
>> prospective students into at least four categories for their motivations to
>> attend college.  As I recall, one category is more the social frat/sorority
>> crowd.  Another is more the getting a ticket punched/credentialed for a
>> career crowd that need or wants a decent paying job.  I think another is
>> the idealistic learn a little about everything liberal arts crowd.  I
>> forget the fourth, but can look it up.
>>
>> Essentially our education systems are corrupt, tax exempt "non-profit"
>> institutions and show little respect for their critical primary mission.
>> Otherwise, they would respect academic meritocracy more than they do and
>> focus on their academic mission.  They would spend more time recruiting and
>> investing in gifted students rather than gifted athletes to entertain
>> students and alumni.  Some recent related columns
>> http://www.forbes.com/sites/ccap/2014/07/30/sacrificing-college-quality-on-the-alter-of-athletic-spending/
>>
>>
>> http://www.ohio.com/news/local/university-of-akron-students-want-to-know-how-much-of-their-fees-go-toward-athletics-1.554002
>> Mary Collier
>>
>>  -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gifted and Talented in Ohio Discussion List <ohiogift at lists.osu.edu
>> >
>> To: Ohiogift <Ohiogift at lists.service.ohio-state.edu>
>> Sent: Sun, Jan 4, 2015 1:59 pm
>> Subject: [Ohiogift] Ed Week article on colleges accepting credits for AP,
>> dual enrollment etc.
>>
>>  Hi all,
>>
>> Here is an interesting article in Education Week about how colleges vary
>> on credit for various post-secondary courses taken in high school.
>>
>> Ann
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2014/12/10/colleges-vary-on-credit-for-ap-ib.html?cmp=ENL-CM-NEWS2
>>
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