[Ohiogift] CogAT, Forms 6 and 7 Question

[Colleen BOYLE]

I am assuming she has already been identified using the old criteria, correct?  If so, then why would you change her identification?  There have other cases in years past where a cut score has changed , either due to a new interpretation of how to use the SEM or a calculation error, etc. ODE has always said not to go back and change identification status for previously ID students. If the student is not already identified, it is irrelevant anyway because the score is more than 24 months old. Rosemary has been in charge of the fact sheets until this winter. As she is no longer at ODE, I am not sure they will be able to answer your question. 

> On Feb 8, 2014, at 7:38 AM, "Edward A. Hawks III" <eah3rd at windstream.net> wrote:
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> I understand what you’re saying. The March, 2012 Factsheet #001 is the most recent one I have found, as listed on the ODE website. If anyone knows differently, please do let me know.
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> Here’s a scenario that prompted my initial question. . .
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> Suzie Q--a 2nd grader--was administered the CogAT, Form 6, in October, 2011. Her composite SAS was a 127, which, under the January, 2011 Factsheet #001 guidelines, would ID her as superior cognitive. If Suzie had been a 2nd grader in October, 2012, she would have had to receive an SAS of 128 on the same normed assessment - CogAT, Form 6 for superior cognitive identification. Why would the cut score change using the same normed assessment? I’m trying to logically understand this. I might have to contact the ODE on this one.
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> Thank you,
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> Chip  
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> Edward A. Hawks, III, M.Ed.
> Gifted Intervention Specialist | Exceptional Student Education
> Kent City School District
> What he seemed, he was—a wholly human gentleman, the
> essential elements of whose positive character were two and
> only two, simplicity and spirituality.
> (Douglas Southall Freeman on Robert E. Lee)
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> From: Colleen Boyle, PhD [mailto:boyleconsulting at me.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2014 12:25 AM
> To: Edward A. Hawks III
> Cc: Ohiogift Listserv
> Subject: Re: [Ohiogift] CogAT, Forms 6 and 7 Question
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> I am not sure.  However, I would advise you to get rid of both of those fact sheets and rely on the current ones.  (Although, I will tell you know that CogAT 7's cut score will be different for the lowest grade band on the one yet to come out because the SEM was different from Form 6 to Form 7.  One of them had a different cut score for K-2 as compared to 3-12 due to SEM, and the other has a different score for K-1 as compared to 2-12 due to SEM.  That grade band issue was not caught when Form 7 was added.  Then again, that is why ODE has the caveat that you should always rely on the technical manuals to confirm the cut scores.)  Not only are the cut scores current on the most recent sheet, but it also limits the list to the current approved instruments.  Form 6 can no longer be used for gifted identification, as it came off last June, I believe, because it is outdated.  ODE typically releases current approved test lists and fact sheets in December or January (new ones for this year are forthcoming - they got a little behind with staff changes in the department), so always replace your existing lists with the new ones.  
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> Colleen Boyle, Ph.D.
> Gifted Coordinator and Educational Consultant
> Columbus, OH
> boyleconsulting at me.com
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> Specialities:
> Educational Psychology
> Gifted Education and Psychology
> Educational Administration
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> On Feb 7, 2014, at 10:26 PM, Edward A. Hawks III <eah3rd at windstream.net> wrote:
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> Hi, all:
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> I need some assistance understanding something, please. . .
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> On the January, 2011 Gifted Education Factsheet #001, it states that a CogAT, Form 6, SAS of 127, for K-2, identifies a student as superior cognitive. The March, 2012 revised Factsheet #001 changes that cutoff to an SAS of 128 for K-2 students. Why would the cutoff have changed from 2011 to 2012? Since the CogAT is a normed assessment, I’m trying to understand the change. I also noticed that this occurred when the ODE accepted the new CogAT, Form 7, as an approved instrument; it has an SAS cutoff of 127 for K-2, while Form 6 has a 128. How could the norms have changed when applied to the same assessment (i.e., Form 6)?
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> Thank you for your help,
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> Chip
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> Edward A. Hawks, III, M.Ed.
> Gifted Intervention Specialist | Exceptional Student Education
> Kent City School District
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> only two, simplicity and spirituality.
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