[Ohiogift] Ohiogift Digest, Vol 17, Issue 36

[Robin Y Retzler]

Margaret,

I think the survey would be a great measurement.  I am just in the process
of writing another letter to the ODE Board about measuring outputs.  I agree
that academic type tests don't effectively measure the progress of a gifted
student.  I think that most parents of gifted children would agree that they
would like to see their children challenged.  But how does one measure
challenge?  And I know I personally would like nothing better than to see my
child work hard and perhaps even fail - in that case, I think the bigger
lesson would learning how to fail and that its okay to take risks.  There is
no way a test score could possibly measure that.  

The question in my mind would be whether the ODE really cares what parents
think an acceptable output would be.

Robin


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>
>Today's Topics:
>
>   1. Re: What DO we want the outcome measure to look like?
>      (Buga, Michelle)

One problem that we are confronting here is that the current tests don't do
a good job of measuring the learning of students at the top of the scale.
It is difficult to make gains when you are already at 99% on the tests.  We
could ask for out of level testing but that is also problematic for a number
of reasons.  We could ask for universal administration of something like the
ACT for the upper grades, but there are limits to that strategy too.
Despite this, the students in our self-contained program not only score at
the highest level but do continue to make learning gains in most areas.
http://tagpdx.org/11_12_ACCESS.htm

 I'm hoping that the new Common Core assessments will be an improvement but
I'm not optimistic. 

When companies have quality concern they actively solicit feedback from
their customers.  Would it be possible to include a rating of "satisfied" or
above from parents or even students to the question, "were your [child's]
learning needs met in x subject?" ( For the way Portland families would
respond go to
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/files/tag/TAG_Survey_Letter_2012.13%281%29.pdf )

Margaret



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