[Ohiogift] ungiftedness

[Sandra Warren]

Well said, Margaret!

Sandra :-)


On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 5:42 AM, (Mary Collier) <redfoxmary at aol.com> wrote:

> Thank you, Margaret, for saying what I wanted to say, but you did it so
> well.  I also was bothered with the "success" and intelligence relationship
> and how "success" is defined.  Many "successful" people also end up in
> prison.  In the military there was a saying "rank times IQ is equal to a
> constant" which was a sad/humorous way of saying, the more intelligent you
> were, the less likely you were to achieve higher rank.
>
> Mary Collier
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Margaret DeLacy <margaretdelacy at comcast.net>
> To: Ohiogift <Ohiogift at lists.service.ohio-state.edu>
> Sent: Sun, Jun 23, 2013 1:17 am
> Subject: [Ohiogift] ungiftedness
>
>
> >challenge the conventional wisdom about the childhood predictors of adult
> success
>
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> Speaking just for myself, I am frustrated when I see comments about how "gifted
> programs" have failed if their graduates turn out to be "ordinary" and don't
> turn out to be distinguished or "successful" by some outside standard.  I want
> to grab these authors by the lapels and scream "that's just the point!"  I
> believe that most parents of children with physical disabilities or intellectual
> disabilities want their children to have as normal a life as possible.  That is
> just what I want for my own children.  I don't expect my children to become
> "great".  I just want them to survive school with their spirits mostly intact.
>
> There are indeed many paths to greatness.  Many great men and women had terrible
> childhoods, but I didn't abuse my own children in the hope that some day they
> would write a best-selling memoir about it.  Similarly, I didn't want to see my
> children abused in school, even if it turned them into distinguished individuals
> down the road.
>
> That is one of the reasons I am uncomfortable with the new NAGC definition of
> giftedness.  It seems to be about what society wants from gifted children.  I am
> more interested in seeing them engaged in school, happy in their relationships
> and satisfied with their eventual occupations, however humble. Maybe Kaufmann
> has the same point of view--I will read the book (eventually) and find out.  But
> I reject the claim that we should identify gifted students  in order to predict
> adult success.  We should identify gifted students to find those for whom
> regular classroom instruction is inappropriate so the level and pace of
> instruction can be modified and they don't go crazy sitting in class.
>
> The founding fathers didn't write about life, liberty and success.  They wrote
> about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.  Why should we want less for
> our children?
>
> In any case, thank you Art for letting me know about the book.
>
> Margaret
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