[Vwoolf] Fw: A Woolf quotation? Probably not...

Thu Jan 2 19:14:39 EST 2025

I made a slight mistake (really, did I?). This is the right quote:

''I am not inconsiderate really am I? If so it is because love is blind.'
                                                                                                               VW

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Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] A Woolf quotation? Probably not...

Without knowing the brief it's quite hard to come up with something. Yet these are the lines that caught my eyes ages ago:

'I am not inconsiderate am I? If so it is because love is blind.'
                                                                                                  VW

The context behind is, actually "giving".
Virginia Woolf had written to Clive Bell (on Tuesday, July 1909) that if he visits her on Thursday, she not only will give him the money she owns him, but also a manuscript, and the conversation of a charming woman.

This is more of a teasing and playful message with a glint in one's eye - 'I am not inconsiderate am I'  when giving something away, and then the gesture is being explained. Now we want it or not (it may sound too cliché), but love is blind, or can feel like that most of the time.

I can imagine a gift box with these letters on it, and then when you open it there is a sparkling surprise. Although, I am not sure if its completely suitable (that's to say for each gift) as without the brief it doesn't seem to be that simple. Yet at least I've got the ball rolling, and maybe other suggestions might be spot on.

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Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] A Woolf quotation? Probably not...

Please may I inject an old-fashioned adjective into this interesting discussion
(and perhaps translate it into French for LVMH, now owners of Tiffany)?

"An apocryphal quotation"? "Citation apocryphe, attribuée à VW"?
The secrecy, mystery behind that adjective itself might be operative?
"Cryptic" can work too, with an internal rhyme?

See also:
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocrypha__;!!KGKeukY!3PXn3OVsAMIJ3xGFNlacYsfOv_2I2w2Eg3tUfUe_y_6XVVkvLmLgpOFlfEau6r2o6GWXvYL-jE6aWSilC4dqLzZogPXIWwv2$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocrypha__;!!KGKeukY!wtI7l7LY6XBeFbiXEdsZYXHluuPwAsXi2BIyJPF9vWtsjetHspa40WcpgZuONbG6ZQRJBvw9o1PrVg$>

Maybe suggest a (real) quotation about something to do with VW's (family) heirloom jewelry?
Anything about beauty, love & purity? Stella's diamonds?

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Happy New Year to you all - no matter what 🌞🐒

On Thu, Jan 2, 2025 at 11:01 PM Neverow, Vara S. via Vwoolf <vwoolf at lists.osu.edu<mailto:vwoolf at lists.osu.edu>> wrote:
"Attributed" could work for them as a more accurate approach. I'd love to send them a few real quotations about love and the like. Anyone have something in mind?

Vara

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Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] A Woolf quotation? Probably not...

It does not appear in any results on a search of the Woolf CD-ROM. There are so many bogus quotes floating around now that it is likely impossible to put this one back in the bag. I do have a set of pretty cards with that quotation on them attributed to VW, a gift from someone...!
Perhaps Tiffany, who have admirably attempted to track down permission, could say "attributed to Virginia Woolf"!

On Thu, Jan 2, 2025 at 4:28 PM Danell Jones via Vwoolf <vwoolf at lists.osu.edu<mailto:vwoolf at lists.osu.edu>> wrote:

For what it’s worth, I got zero hits for “foolishly forget” on Kobo, VW Complete Works, which includes the diaries.

Are we leaning toward an invented quote?

Danell

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Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] A Woolf quotation? Probably not...

FWIW, it would seem to me that this would have come from a letter, not from a diary entry. Possible to Vita Sackville West or any number of people that Woolf corresponded with. Mark Scott Common Reader On Thursday, January 2, 2025 at 11: 24: 50

FWIW, it would seem to me that this would have come from a letter, not from a diary entry.  Possible to Vita Sackville West or any number of people that Woolf corresponded with.

Mark Scott
Common Reader

On Thursday, January 2, 2025 at 11:24:50 AM PST, Kristin Czarnecki via Vwoolf <vwoolf at lists.osu.edu<mailto:vwoolf at lists.osu.edu>> wrote:

Hello, A Google search brings up several sites saying it's a quote from the diaries. Here's a discussion thread from 2017 about the quote which also mentions the diaries but doesn't come up with anything definitive: https: //www. online-literature. com/forums/showthread. php?86494-Finding-the-Origin-of-a-Virginia-Woolf-Quote

Hello,

A Google search brings up several sites saying it's a quote from the diaries. Here's a discussion thread from 2017 about the quote which also mentions the diaries but doesn't come up with anything definitive:

https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.online-literature.com/forums/showthread.php?86494-Finding-the-Origin-of-a-Virginia-Woolf-Quote__;!!KGKeukY!3PXn3OVsAMIJ3xGFNlacYsfOv_2I2w2Eg3tUfUe_y_6XVVkvLmLgpOFlfEau6r2o6GWXvYL-jE6aWSilC4dqLzZogG6k5LNs$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.online-literature.com/forums/showthread.php?86494-Finding-the-Origin-of-a-Virginia-Woolf-Quote__;!!KGKeukY!22BKPo63GeJCgRilmgf9W9TwZ5-1IqIQgWHXmgC1PvP1O0DKRfuHJFPnc31HivQrQErN-nqHhpTkNyaVhFNQws26$>

Drew Shannon, is this from the diaries?

Cheers,

Kristin

On Thu, Jan 2, 2025 at 2:19 PM Neverow, Vara S. via Vwoolf <vwoolf at lists.osu.edu<mailto:vwoolf at lists.osu.edu>> wrote:

Dear Woolves, Karen Levenback and I (and the IVWS and the VWSGB) have received an email from someone who indicates that she is working for Tiffany & Co and wants to find out about permission to use the phrase below. I am reaching out to

Dear Woolves,

Karen Levenback and I (and the IVWS and the VWSGB) have received an email from someone who indicates that she is working for Tiffany & Co and wants to find out about permission to use the phrase below.

I am reaching out to inquire about obtaining permission to use the following quote, which is widely attributed to Virginia Woolf.

"In case you ever foolishly forget:  I am never not thinking of you."

Our client, Tiffany & Co, would like to incorporate this quote in their upcoming campaign and want to ensure we handle any necessary permission appropriately.  Could you kindly confirm if this quote is part of Woolf's works or if there are any rights associated with its use?

As far as I can determine, the phrase, which shows up on Etsy and Goodreads and so forth, was invented anonymously and might be associated with something Woolf actually wrote (similar to Woolf's own phrasing that became "For most of history, Anonymous was a woman"). I suppose it could also have been drawn from the play or the film version of Vita and Virginia (or from one of the novels on Woolf). In a search on Google Books and Google Scholar and the Kindle version of Virginia Woolf: The Complete Works not one instance of the phrase appeared. (In the Kindle version, "Foolishly" shows up in Woolf's writing only 18 times--and not one instance is part of that phrase.)

Regarding this search, I have alerted the person who has contacted the Woolf societies and the Miscellany that I am asking Woolf scholars and common readers to ponder the query. It would be interesting to know more about the origin and history of the phrase.

Best,
Vara

Vara Neverow

(she/her/hers)
Professor, English Department

Editor, Virginia Woolf Miscellany
Southern Connecticut State University
New Haven, CT 06515
203-392-6717
neverowv1 at southernct.edu<mailto:neverowv1 at southernct.edu>

I acknowledge that Southern Connecticut State University was built on traditional territory of the indigenous peoples and nations of the Paugussett and Quinnipiac peoples.

Recent Publications:

Lead editor, Virginia Woolf: Critical and Primary Sources (Bloomsbury, 2020; with Jeanne Dubino, Kathryn Simpson, and Gill Lowe); Editor, Volume One, 1975-1984, Virginia Woolf: Critical and Primary Sources (Bloomsbury, 2020); Co-editor, The Edinburgh Companion to Virginia Woolf and Contemporary Global Literature (Edinburgh, 2020; with Jeanne Dubino, Paulina Pająk, Catherine Hollis, and Celiese Lypka)

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