[Vwoolf] Peacehaven

[Mary Ellen Foley]

Just to be clear: I did *not* intend for my previous comments on indexing
to read as though I thought Stuart didn't know how to look things up on the
internet or was unable to find that quotation had he really wanted to find
it, which I see today, looking back through the thread for something else,
is a possible reading.  I only meant to speak to the idea that insufficient
indexing--which is a plague, and which is seen more and more, for the
reasons Sarah pointed out--isn't going to stop us  in our tracks as often
it once might have.

It's even possible that the existence of online tools has led publishers to
think indexing is less important than it is: "They can always just Google
for it."  (A sentiment that's another possible reading of my own message
that I did not intend!)  Or at least has given them another excuse for
cutting pay to indexers and letting them go.  (The same argument, though,
can't help them when they skimp on editing...)

mef





On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 4:50 PM Mary Ellen Foley <mefoleyuk at gmail.com> wrote:

> Indexing: Fortunately, we can supplement with online tools in some cases.
> Stuart's phrase, attributed to Leonard, led me to "feminism the belief or
> policy of all sensible men", which led me to page 101 of the 1964 Hogarth
> Press edition of 'Beginning Again' -- via Google Books, where the snippet
> on view let me know that this was said in context of remarks on Margaret
> Llewelyn Davies. (\
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://books.google.se/books?id=zScLAQAAIAAJ&q=*22feminism*the*belief*or*policy*of*all*sensible*men*22*leonard*woolf&dq=*22feminism*the*belief*or*policy*of*all*sensible*men*22*leonard*woolf&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwifjsydztruAhUuxosKHX6wAvQQ6AEwAXoECAQQAg__;JSsrKysrKysrJSsrJSsrKysrKysrJSsr!!KGKeukY!idsZnIhsL2xPUKxnuJLkoeydHAV7x0A-b6uYrY61HvvgObPZjP6tEIWjEU6rGrkk0DTlcoCvlzbd$ 
> )
>
> Had to go all around the houses, but at least we now have that option!
> Had Stuart remembered that the context was M Llewelyn Davies, the index
> would probably (I'm guessing) have been quite a bit more helpful ;-)
>
> Trailer parks: Our house is in a little village in the Borough of
> Guildford, where we used to rent a place at the posh end but could only
> afford to buy at the un-posh end (near Aldershot -- oh!  The shame!)
>
> But at the turning onto our old road back at the posh end, there is a
> trailer park -- a real, proper, looks-like-America trailer park--so there's
> something of a class mish-mash.  I believe it is or was advertised as "park
> homes" for older people only, but there it is, presumably blessing its luck
> that it wasn't erected in Tornado Alley.  (Or cursing its luck because the
> pub down there closed.  The village is down from 3 pubs to 0.)
>
> mef
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 3:32 PM Mark Hussey via Vwoolf <
> vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote:
>
>> Peacehaven also makes an appearance in my *“I’d make it Penal”: The
>> Rural Preservation Movement in VW’s* Between the Acts (Cecil Woolf 2011)
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Vwoolf <vwoolf-bounces+mhussey=verizon.net at lists.osu.edu> *On
>> Behalf Of *Jeremy Hawthorn via Vwoolf
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 8, 2021 7:09 AM
>> *To:* vwoolf at lists.osu.edu
>> *Subject:* Re: [Vwoolf] Peacehaven
>>
>>
>>
>> During the 1970s my parents lived in Seaford, just 11 km from Peacehaven.
>> They hated Peacehaven because it had a huge caravan site on it, full of
>> fixed caravans, which they felt was a blot on the landscape. The caravans
>> were not quite what Americans call mobile homes because they were not
>> intended to be mobile, although as they could be moved they enjoyed
>> (perhaps still do) some tax benefit. I have some dim memory that if you
>> moved them once a year you didn't have to pay local tax (rates), but Mr
>> Google could not confirm this.
>>
>> Clara Jones's informative article "Virginia Woolf and 'The Villa Jones'
>> (1931)" (WOOLF STUDIES ANNUAL Volume 22, 2016), has a footnote that
>> mentions Peacehaven, refers to an unpublished letter of Woolf's, and
>> discusses the class symbolism of buildings such as the villa in Woolf's
>> work. I think that an element of class snobbery entered into my parents'
>> disapproval of the Peacehaven caravan park, which they presumed
>> (correctly?) would have a lower-class clientele, but they were right that
>> it was (is?) an eyesore.
>>
>> In 1987, during the great storm, the site suffered major damage; photos
>> of the devastation resemble those were are used to seeing from the southern
>> US states, but not from the UK.
>>
>> Jeremy H
>>
>> On 08.02.2021 11:55, Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf wrote:
>>
>> As well as VW, it’s worth reading LW describing a walk on 4? August 1914
>> and discussing Peacehaven in “Beginning Again”, pp. 146-8.  For those who
>> don’t have the 5-vol. edn, good luck finding this in any other edn!
>> Nothing in the index to help.  Finding something you half remember in his
>> auto is often a challenge.  Take something like “any sensible man must be a
>> feminist” – try finding that again.
>>
>>
>>
>> Stuart
>>
>> (Day 328)
>>
>>
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