[Vwoolf] Woolf bipolar
Laurie Reiche
lauriereiche at gmail.com
Tue Mar 13 16:04:02 EDT 2018
Yes; yes. I think this is so spot-on. We/I have veered off track from your original question! It is such a hot/passionate trigger-issue! I don’t have time for much of a lengthy response except to say you might share with your students this exchange that you’re having with Woolf scholars (don’t share the emails, but share it as a verbal story)- share with them how hard, it is, indeed, even for scholars and professors to separate things we know about Woolf and can’t not know, can’t unknow; and ask them if they have any suggestions….. But also, I’m interested to know if this knowing a person’s psychological history etc., is a gender thing. For instance, does knowing Hemmingway shot himself in the head impact our reading of his work or have people just put it aside, so to speak. Why does it come up for Plath and not Berryman or Nerval? I’ve noticed this in classes, people have forgotten Hemmingway killed himself, at least when reading his work it hardly seems to become an issue, and it kind of makes me fume a little! Again, this is a hot distracting topic!!!!
cheerio!
Laurie
Laurie Reiche
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> On Mar 13, 2018, at 12:40 PM, Brenda S. Helt via Vwoolf <vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote:
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> Morgne, I specifically said, several days ago: “Again, this is a literature course, so it seems useful to me to bring the discussion of Woolf’s personal psychological and physiological health at any given point in her life back to the literature. As one Woolf scholar put it offlist, we need to ask students how questions or biographical information about Woolf’s health and death affect how they “read this novel? (which is, btw, not an autobiography nor a memoir…).”
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> I think all of us who teach Woolf’s work are aware that it is impossible not to address the biographical information students come into the classroom with and want to discuss, be it her sexuality, her death, her struggles with psychological/mental health. What Madelyn and I (and others) are saying in different ways is that we should be prepared to discuss these issues with students, as they will come up, and we should do it in ways that neither stigmatize nor romanticize Woolf, those with bipolar disorder or schizophrenia or who have suffered from incest or sexual abuse, or lesbians, or bisexuals, or those who understand themselves or their worldview as queer. Attempts to avoid those conversations may well seem to students as attempts not to associate Woolf with controversial and often stigmatized topics and identities. Whatever we may call them, ideally we would avoid using our role as authority figures in the classroom to inadvertently endorse cultural stigmas of non-normativity and anti-normativity. And that requires some careful planning on our part as teachers. It also menas taking seriously the work of Woolf scholars who have done extensive work on these topics. Yes. Sure. Why not?
>
> But “genius.” Pavasha and Morgne, it’s worth remembering that Woolf worked to debunk the notion of “genius” in her work. That concept of genius, as Woolf well knew, privileges men and maleness, and excuses selfish and reprehensible behavior in men. In “A Sketch of the Past,” for example Woolf exposes the notion of genius as a useful “convention” for nineteenth-century intellectual men, an excuse for self-obsessive behavior that made them “invariably ‘ill to live with’.” And Milton with his “genius” does not come off well at all in Orlando. I’ve written about this issue quite a bit in “Passionate Debates on ‘Odious Subjects’: Bisexuality and Woolf’s Opposition to Theories of Androgyny and Sexual Identity” (in Twentieth-Century Literature 56.2, 2010) which is a long essay—the second longest TCL has ever published—long because this is a very complex topic. One can’t just say “Let’s not talk about Woolf’s mental health or about how being sexually abused by her half-brother affected her life and work, or about her sexual relationship with Vita and her love of women. Let’s only talk about her work and her genius.” How is that possible? These questions are pervasive in her work—and they are all of a piece. How Woolf felt about “genius” bears on how she felt and wrote about gendered and sexual identities, as well as non-normative mental and psychological states and non-normative ways of understanding the cultures we live in. Much of that complexity is what most of us love about Woolf and her work, after all. And although some may feel strongly put off by the academic jargon of Queer Theory and Crip Theory, I would say (and Madelyn has argued) that Queer and Crip Theory come out of Woolf scholarship, rather than those theories being forced onto discussions of Woolf’s work. We don’t have to use the academic jargon in the classroom or elsewhere if it seems unhelpful, but I think it’s a mistake to be unprepared to address these issues in non-stigmatizing and non-romanticizing ways with our students in the classroom. Concepts like “androgynous genius” were being appropriated by writers like H.D. at this time, but Woolf was exposing their history and the way they disempowered and stigmatized female artists or would-be artists. There’s important socio-political history here to be learned through Woolf and her work. It’s really not useful to “just focus on Woolf’s work and genius” in the way I think some would like to do. And your students will not allow it. Good for them!
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> Best,
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> Brenda
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> Brenda Helt
> Co-editor Queer Bloomsbury (with Madelyn Detloff)
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> From: Vwoolf [mailto:vwoolf-bounces at lists.osu.edu <mailto:vwoolf-bounces at lists.osu.edu>] On Behalf Of Morgne Cramer via Vwoolf
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> At last.
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> Thank you, Palvasha von Hassell.
> Patricia Morgne Cramer
> UCONN Stamford
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> On Monday, March 12, 2018, 1:06:57 PM EDT, Palvasha von Hassell via Vwoolf <vwoolf at lists.osu.edu <mailto:vwoolf at lists.osu.edu>> wrote:
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> Hi all,
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> Agree 100% with Laurie, it‘s her extraordinary genius that should be our concern, not morbid preoccupation with what she might possibly have suffered from. In fact, lrt‘s agree we all live in some kind of glass house...
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> > From: Laurie Reiche <lauriereiche at gmail.com <mailto:lauriereiche at gmail.com>>
> > To: Christine Froula <cfroula at northwestern.edu <mailto:cfroula at northwestern.edu>>
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> > I wrote this a few days ago while on a vacation but it didn?t get delivered so I just thought I?d try again and throw this out to contribute:
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> > ...I'm away from my home-library now so can?t pull books out to refresh my memory, but my feeling is that Woolf suffered from the typical (ill-chosen word!) effects of childhood sexual abuse: anxiety syndromes, ptsd, depression, mood swings, etc., even hearing voices, and dissociation are very common... See Louise DeSalvo's books about Woolf and sexual abuse. I think DeSalvo debunks, quite efficiently, the idea that Woolf was "crazy" or whatever diagnosis one wants to pull out of one's denial-hat to avoid the sexual abuse issue in her life (and Vanessa?s!), and with it the terrible psychological wounds that that abuse imparted. (As well suffering at such a young age the traumas so many sudden deaths of those she loved?) Her ?symptoms? don?t seem to be very mysterious in light of the fateful events during her most formative years?and none of that matters to me just as Beethoven's psychology or Plath?s or O?Keefe?s or Hemmingway?s or... matter?.it is the genius of their genre
> > s, the art they gave us that I am ever so grateful for?..of course?..
> > Laurie?
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> >
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> >> On Mar 10, 2018, at 6:23 AM, Christine Froula via Vwoolf <vwoolf at lists.osu.edu <mailto:vwoolf at lists.osu.edu>> wrote:
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> >> I've always cherished a New York Times Book Review heading from long ago, perhaps about VW's essays when they were coming out:
> >> Exceptionally Sane Most of the Time
> >>
> >>> On 3/10/2018 6:54 AM, Madelyn Detloff via Vwoolf wrote:
> >>> I hesitate to enter this conversation again, since we have had forms of it for years on this list and it always seems to devolve into an either or - either trauma or neuroaffective atypicality as if we are not allowed to imagine that Woolf might have been a survivor of sexual abuse and someone who may have had a condition that looks like what we call bipolar disorder or some other atypicality that she lived with while also being a prolific author and critic. There is stigma connected to each hypothesis that we ought to challenge. What I wish for us as a community of scholars is that we don?t fall prey to the desire to ?rescue? Woolf?s reputation from one stigma by reinforcing the stigma of the other hypothesis.
> >>>
> >>> There have been a number of well meaning posts that nevertheless participate in ableist logic and language regarding neuroaffective atypicality. Woolf was not ?crazy? or ?insane? whether or not she experienced something like bipolar disorder, or PTSD, or some mixture of both (I happen to think both is quite likely). To be sure, there has been a lot of damage done in the name of psychiatry, medicine, other various forms of ?cure? that aim to normalize our body minds. We ought to expose and critique that damage. But I think we can do that without suggesting that people who take medicine or other therapies for neuroaffective atypicalities (lithium for example) are somehow suffering from false consciousness or are to be distinguished from ?essentially sane? people who have mood swings or struggle with PTSD.
> >>>
> >>> I?ve written a little about this dilemma in the Blackwell Companion to Woolf
> >>> http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/9781118457917.ch20/summary <http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/9781118457917.ch20/summary%20><https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__onlinelibrary.wiley.com_doi_10.1002_9781118457917.ch20_summary&d=DwMFaQ&c=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws&r=B2e-UKKhnYe5lrEq8NEkMf9o4KvCJF-4y7Z7WnzjMp0&m=xbbBluCeP-K4-MtgVPHpJkYqCqXG-LSSAyfNwh2WPGc&s=Et8k7OcqA7iOvBFe3L8J8EYhjBtu2u_IfWhtM9rF_pU&e= <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__onlinelibrary.wiley.com_doi_10.1002_9781118457917.ch20_summary&d=DwMFaQ&c=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws&r=B2e-UKKhnYe5lrEq8NEkMf9o4KvCJF-4y7Z7WnzjMp0&m=xbbBluCeP-K4-MtgVPHpJkYqCqXG-LSSAyfNwh2WPGc&s=Et8k7OcqA7iOvBFe3L8J8EYhjBtu2u_IfWhtM9rF_pU&e=>>. It also might be helpful to read Alison Kafer?s Feminist Queer Crip on the ?curative imaginary,? as well as Margaret Price?s Mad at School.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Please note: what I write is not directed at any one post or poster on this list. The discussion we are having now has a long history on this list and I worry that we are simply repeating our positions rather than evolving them.
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>>
> >>> Madelyn
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPad
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> >>>> On Mar 7, 2018, at 12:24 PM, Diane Reynolds via Vwoolf <vwoolf at lists.osu.edu <mailto:vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> <mailto:vwoolf at lists.osu.edu <mailto:vwoolf at lists.osu.edu>>> wrote:
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> >>>> Ellen,
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> >>>> I have not had this question come up in class, but it is topical and relevant. In my Quaker meeting, we have concerns about gun control being off-loaded, as it were, onto the mentally ill, however, that term is defined, and we fear it will lead to further stigmatization of mental illness, especially bi-polar disorders?and of course, Woolf feared the consequences of her illness. What I would emphasize with Woolf, is that mental illness is increasingly understood to come out of childhood trauma and that while it is biological to some extent, our brain biology actually changes to become more ?depressive? as a result of trauma. This is in an interesting article: https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2018/02/will-take-political-revolution-cure-epidemic-depression.html <https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2018/02/will-take-political-revolution-cure-epidemic-depression.html%20><https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.nakedcapitalism.com_2018_02_will-2Dtake-2Dpolitical-2Drevolution-2Dcure-2Depidemic-2Ddepression.html&d=DwMFaQ&c=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws&r=B <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.nakedcapitalism.com_2018_02_will-2Dtake-2Dpolitical-2Drevolution-2Dcure-2Depidemic-2Ddepression.html&d=DwMFaQ&c=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws&r=B>
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> > Dear Laurie,
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> > One of the reasons Madelyn and I put together Queer Bloomsbury is to make some of the scholarship about Louise DeSalvo?s scholarship easier for folks to get a hold of. Please see Christopher Reed?s essay ?Bloomsbury Bashing? (originally published in Genders in 1991) and his brand spanking new preface for that essay in Queer Bloomsbury.
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> > Very best,
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> > Brenda
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> > Brenda Helt
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> > Co-editor Queer Bloomsbury (with Madelyn Detloff)
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> > https://edinburghuniversitypress.com/book-queer-bloomsbury.html <https://edinburghuniversitypress.com/book-queer-bloomsbury.html>
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> > From: Vwoolf [mailto:vwoolf-bounces+helt0010=umn.edu at lists.osu.edu <mailto:umn.edu at lists.osu.edu>] On Behalf Of Laurie Reiche via Vwoolf
> > Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 2:12 PM
> > To: Christine Froula
> > Cc: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu <mailto:vwoolf at lists.osu.edu>
> > Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Virginia Woolf: bi-polar
> >
> >
> >
> > I wrote this a few days ago while on a vacation but it didn?t get delivered so I just thought I?d try again and throw this out to contribute:
> >
> >
> >
> > ...I'm away from my home-library now so can?t pull books out to refresh my memory, but my feeling is that Woolf suffered from the typical (ill-chosen word!) effects of childhood sexual abuse: anxiety syndromes, ptsd, depression, mood swings, etc., even hearing voices, and dissociation are very common... See Louise DeSalvo's books about Woolf and sexual abuse. I think DeSalvo debunks, quite efficiently, the idea that Woolf was "crazy" or whatever diagnosis one wants to pull out of one's denial-hat to avoid the sexual abuse issue in her life (and Vanessa?s!), and with it the terrible psychological wounds that that abuse imparted. (As well suffering at such a young age the traumas so many sudden deaths of those she loved?) Her ?symptoms? don?t seem to be very mysterious in light of the fateful events during her most formative years?and none of that matters to me just as Beethoven's psychology or Plath?s or O?Keefe?s or Hemmingway?s or... matter?.it is the genius of
> > their genres, the art they gave us that I am ever so grateful for?..of course?..
> >
> > Laurie?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mar 10, 2018, at 6:23 AM, Christine Froula via Vwoolf <vwoolf at lists.osu.edu <mailto:vwoolf at lists.osu.edu>> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > I've always cherished a New York Times Book Review heading from long ago, perhaps about VW's essays when they were coming out:
> >
> > Exceptionally Sane Most of the Time
> >
> >
> >
> > On 3/10/2018 6:54 AM, Madelyn Detloff via Vwoolf wrote:
> >
> > I hesitate to enter this conversation again, since we have had forms of it for years on this list and it always seems to devolve into an either or - either trauma or neuroaffective atypicality as if we are not allowed to imagine that Woolf might have been a survivor of sexual abuse and someone who may have had a condition that looks like what we call bipolar disorder or some other atypicality that she lived with while also being a prolific author and critic. There is stigma connected to each hypothesis that we ought to challenge. What I wish for us as a community of scholars is that we don?t fall prey to the desire to ?rescue? Woolf?s reputation from one stigma by reinforcing the stigma of the other hypothesis.
> >
> >
> >
> > There have been a number of well meaning posts that nevertheless participate in ableist logic and language regarding neuroaffective atypicality. Woolf was not ?crazy? or ?insane? whether or not she experienced something like bipolar disorder, or PTSD, or some mixture of both (I happen to think both is quite likely). To be sure, there has been a lot of damage done in the name of psychiatry, medicine, other various forms of ?cure? that aim to normalize our body minds. We ought to expose and critique that damage. But I think we can do that without suggesting that people who take medicine or other therapies for neuroaffective atypicalities (lithium for example) are somehow suffering from false consciousness or are to be distinguished from ?essentially sane? people who have mood swings or struggle with PTSD.
> >
> >
> >
> > I?ve written a little about this dilemma in the Blackwell Companion to Woolf
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> > On Mar 7, 2018, at 12:24 PM, Diane Reynolds via Vwoolf <vwoolf at lists.osu.edu <mailto:vwoolf at lists.osu.edu>> wrote:
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> > I have not had this question come up in class, but it is topical and relevant. In my Quaker meeting, we have concerns about gun control being off-loaded, as it were, onto the mentally ill, however, that term is defined, and we fear it will lead to further stigmatization of mental illness, especially bi-polar disorders?and of course, Woolf feared the consequences of her illness. What I would emphasize with Woolf, is that mental illness is increasingly understood to come out of childhood trauma and that while it is biological to some extent, our brain biology actually changes to become more ?depressive? as a result of trauma. This is in an interesting article: https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2018/02/will-take-political-revolution-cure-epidemic-depression.html <https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2018/02/will-take-political-revolution-cure-epidemic-depression.html%20><https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.nakedcapitalism.com_2018_02_will-2Dtake-2Dpolitical-2Drevolution-2Dcure-2Depidemic-2Ddepression.html&d=DwMFaQ&c=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws&r=B2e-U <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.nakedcapitalism.com_2018_02_will-2Dtake-2Dpolitical-2Drevolution-2Dcure-2Depidemic-2Ddepression.html&d=DwMFaQ&c=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws&r=B2e-U>
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