[Intl_DxMedPhys] The end of LNT and ALARA?

Tue May 27 14:03:36 EDT 2025

NSF also had 30+ years to research, and they still ran into the same
regulation hurdles Gary mentions

On Tue, May 27, 2025 at 1:30 PM Matt Wait via Intl_dxmedphys_wd_osu_list <
intl_dxmedphys_wd_osu_list at lists.osu.edu> wrote:

> Gary, it sounds like funding basic research through the NSF would be a
> great way to provide more innovation in nuclear power. Now to take a sip of
> coffee and read the news...
>
> Matt Wait, MS, DABR, DABSNM, MRSE
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> Behalf Of Gary via Intl_dxmedphys_wd_osu_list
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> To: William Sensakovic via Intl_dxmedphys_wd_osu_list <
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> I hear what you're saying William.  Sounds like:
>         regulations being broken
>         environmental damage
>
> There may be some of that.  If so, I lay the blame at the feet of the same
> regulators and policy makers getting pushed out now.  Did the last 30+
> years of federal strategy and regulatory policy lead to nuclear power
> innovations that would make it safer and cheaper?  Did they give it the
> same incentives that solar and wind got?  I wonder where we would be today
> if they had.
>
> I also like to image physicists (lots of them) working on developing and
> maintaining advanced nuclear power generation methods, instead of boiling
> water.  We are still boiling water, for crying out loud.  That is just
> sad.  Can you image your car boiling water, instead of being gas or
> electric?  It really looks like we wasted those 30+ years, almost like the
> feds were trying to destroy instead of develop.  And we need power badly,
> to say nothing of how we are going to need it with the rise of AI and other
> new tech.  It seems unthinkable that we would just keep burning fossil
> fuels.  Does anybody want that?
>
>
> ---
> Thanks,
> Gary Isenhower
> garyi at paxradia.com
>
>
> On Sun, 25 May 2025 19:43:20 +0000, William Sensakovic via
> Intl_dxmedphys_wd_osu_list <intl_dxmedphys_wd_osu_list at lists.osu.edu>
> wrote:
>
> >I completely agree with Gary that this is the time to invest. The more
> >the relevant regulatory agencies are gutted, the less the short term
> >costs for spinning up new sites. Further, reduction in oversight costs
> >will be lower due to less regulations and fewer people to record
> >regulations being broken and fewer of the existing regulations being
> >enforced. Not to mention the reduced cost of keeping safety people on
> >staff. This results in lower medium range costs as well. Long term
> >costs.... well it depends what the cost share is for environmental
> >damage and fallout from nuclear accidents. If the government takes on
> >the burden, then there will be relatively little cost to the industry
> >except public trust, but that might not be much of a problem with
> >rebranding and clever marketing. Also they are unlikely to develop for
> >a decade or so. Hard to tell.
> >
> >I will let everyone determine for themselves whether recent changes to
> >the regulatory and emergency response landscape set off any alarm bells
> >or constitute best practice when reading the lessons learned from
> >Fukushima by the NRC
> >https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK25392
> >3/__;!!KGKeukY!yy19_Yyu4uIBTivCLHEBRsaDDRSRNs_-OR-XqL5MbNhMFoy6aA8cPquD
> >-8DzSmaD8jmgvhUJhPJDGgBeMdkxb09ouzBmNQ0HHQ3jpt0u$
> >Or how political involvement, regulations, and organized crime
> >intertwine in the right environment
> >https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/
> >special-report-help-wanted-in-fukushima-crime/__;!!KGKeukY!yy19_Yyu4uIB
> >TivCLHEBRsaDDRSRNs_-OR-XqL5MbNhMFoy6aA8cPquD-8DzSmaD8jmgvhUJhPJDGgBeMdk
> >xb09ouzBmNQ0HHTZt3jYp$ I don't want this to get "political" so I think
> >I will suggest the mantra of "do your own research" I think the cited
> >articles are stick to the science and are a good start.
> >
> >William F. Sensakovic, PhD, MRSC(MRSE), FAAPM Chair and Assoc. Prof.,
> >Mayo Clinic (Arizona) Founder, Telerad Physics Teaching, LLC
> >Twitter: @wfsensak
> >________________________________
> >From: Intl_dxmedphys_wd_osu_list
> ><intl_dxmedphys_wd_osu_list-bounces+wfsensak=outlook.com at lists.osu.edu>
> >on behalf of Gary via Intl_dxmedphys_wd_osu_list
> ><intl_dxmedphys_wd_osu_list at lists.osu.edu> Sent: Saturday, May 24,
> >2025 8:17 PM To: intl_dxmedphys_wd_osu_list at lists.osu.edu
> ><intl_dxmedphys_wd_osu_list at lists.osu.edu> Subject: Re:
> >[Intl_DxMedPhys] The end of LNT and ALARA?
> >
> >One thing it may mean is a rebirth of nuclear energy for the US.  Pro
> >tip: now is the time to invest.
> >
> >
> >---
> >Thanks,
> >Gary Isenhower
> >
> >
> >On Sat, 24 May 2025 17:24:33 +0000, Mary Ellen Jafari via
> >Intl_dxmedphys_wd_osu_list <intl_dxmedphys_wd_osu_list at lists.osu.edu>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>I didn't post the announcement from the White House to generate
> >>political commentary but rather to start a discussion on implications
> >>of such a change to radiology, medical physics, and occupational
> >>radiational workers, and how our professional organizations should
> >>respond to the Executive Order.
> >>
> >>I'm not the list moderator but is it possible to keep the discussion
> >>focused on those issues?
> >>
> >>Thank you.
> >>Mary Ellen
> >>
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> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Intl_dxmedphys_wd_osu_list
> >><intl_dxmedphys_wd_osu_list-bounces at lists.osu.edu> On Behalf Of Nicole
> >>Ranger via Intl_dxmedphys_wd_osu_list Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2025
> >>10:19 AM To: David Clunie <dclunie at dclunie.com> Cc:
> >>intl_dxmedphys_wd_osu_list at lists.osu.edu Subject: Re: [Intl_DxMedPhys]
> >>The end of LNT and ALARA?
> >>
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> >>I can’t help but feel that all these maneuvers are distractions. Also
> >>would be interested to learn of any binding agreements between the
> >>U.S. and the IAEA that are predicated on the long-standing and stable
> >>agreements around these regulatory concepts and limits.  International
> >>shipping of radioactive sources, enforcement of waste handling
> >>procedures, etc…
> >>
> >>These concepts should be agreed upon through scientific consensus and
> >>not political grandstanding.
> >>
> >>Nicole
> >>
> >>
> >>Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On May 24, 2025, at 12:09 PM, David Clunie via
> >>> Intl_dxmedphys_wd_osu_list
> >>> <intl_dxmedphys_wd_osu_list at lists.osu.edu> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Maybe this is a great way to improve genetic diversity in the US
> >>> population with more mutations, to substitute for a lack of
> >>> immigration.
> >>
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Patrick Bond
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