[Intl_DxMedPhys] Diagnostic Resident Physics Curriculum Ideas

[William Davros]

Hi all
I taught med phys to residents at Georgetown for 7 yrs (5 res per class)
and Cleveland Clinic for 18 yrs ( 5 per for 10 and 8 per 8 ys); so lots of
residents and lots of years. I taught one per week for 1 hr sept thru May
and June July and Aug just folks taking the board we did Raphex.  With this
method I had 98% pass rate on the first attempt. For the most part I taught
of a white board and pen-in-hand. This method worked for me as it gave me
the flexibility to speak “off the cuff”.
 My style was engaging, challenging, fun and sometimes irreverent and
ALWAYS memorable.
Physics is important. As imaging gets more and more complex it is
imperative to teach more not less.
I urge all on this list to resist administration on cutting time for
physics.

Once time is cut from education is is rarely won back

Regards
Bill Davros
Happily retired
On Thu, May 8, 2025 at 11:58 PM Nima Kasraie via Intl_dxmedphys_wd_osu_list
<intl_dxmedphys_wd_osu_list at lists.osu.edu> wrote:

> Hi Steve, Our Radiology residency program is split into 2 separate
> programs: DX and Nuc Med. (the imaging physics residency program is also
> under Radiology GME). I cover the entire Nuc med program, but also have 10
> yrs experience in DX program.
> Hi Steve,
>
> Our Radiology residency program is split into 2 separate programs: DX and
> Nuc Med. (the imaging physics residency program is also under Radiology
> GME). I cover the entire Nuc med program, but also have 10 yrs experience
> in DX program. Both programs have multiple components (hands on, boot camp,
> core review, didactic noon lectures, etc)
>
> If you have any questions, I'd be happy to discuss and share info in a
> phone call with you. Just send me an email.
>
> Nima
>
>
>
> Nima Kasraie, PhD
> Diagnostic Imaging Medical Physicist
> Associate Professor of Radiology
> UT Southwestern - Children’s Medical Center Dallas
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> *Subject:* [Intl_DxMedPhys] Diagnostic Resident Physics Curriculum Ideas
>
> Dear list, I am reaching out to ask for examples/suggestions for how
> you/your program is teaching diagnostic physics to Radiology residents. We
> are about to undergo a major change at our institution for physics
> teaching. Previously,  we have
> Dear list, I am reaching out to ask for examples/suggestions for how
> you/your program is teaching diagnostic physics to Radiology residents. We
> are about to undergo a major change at our institution for physics
> teaching. Previously,  we have
> Dear list,
>
> I am reaching out to ask for examples/suggestions for how you/your program
> is teaching diagnostic physics to Radiology residents. We are about to
> undergo a major change at our institution for physics teaching.
> Previously,  we have had 1.5 hour physics lectures roughly once per week
> and we covered the entire AAPM curriculum
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.aapm.org/education/ERG/DIARAD/__;!!KGKeukY!z8uXyekquwm4BAonS3FkIjfzHGiWDON3FSsrNiy9Ymd8Db_fZL5FDilUrF-q6DcoE4WyAFGY7j_rThzp1-I1pd4WbhyBQGUS_7DinpmnewCHbP0t$> each
> year. The idea was to expose the residents multiple times to physics
> conferences (as concepts were abstract and not as emphasized in their
> clinical work) and also to ensure all residents saw the lectures at least
> twice before their third year board exams. (Residents would sometimes miss
> lectures due to call schedule or rotations away from campus.) The new
> proposal from our program director would significantly reduce the physics
> lectures (maybe once per month in the normal conference schedule) and we
> are looking into other options/alternatives. Part of the justification was
> that several other local programs were not devoting this amount of time to
> physics lectures. While we are still in discussions on what we will do, I
> am sure we will need to cut down our total amount of lectures per year. So,
> I was hoping some of you would share your current practices/curriculum for
> Diagnostic Radiology residents. I have some specific questions that would
> be helpful for our team:
> - Do you run the curriculum over multiple years? If so, how do you deal
> with residents missing class periods due to call?
> - Do you teach all topics to all residents? Or do you split to specific
> groups? Eg: x-ray & fluoro to first years, CT to second years, MRI & NucMed
> to third years ...
> - Do you bunch or compress the lectures (i.e. a week-long boot camp or
> similar) or do you spread the lectures throughout the year?
> - Are the physics lectures/curriculum separate from the traditional
> clinical lectures across body, MSK, neuro, etc...? Or do you weave within?
> - Do you do traditional lectures or have you moved to different modes of
> interaction? (We have done hands-on labs but typically can only run these
> once or twice per year for a particular modality, often have to limit the
> number of students, and have to do some on the weekends.)
>
> I would appreciate any other thoughts you might have. We are trying to
> avoid only doing board prep as we all think (a) physics is an important but
> often overlooked part of learning for the Radiology residents and (b) many
> residents only receive dedicated physics education during their residency.
>
> Best, Steve
>
> Steven Shea, PhD
> Associate Professor, MR Scientist
> Department of Radiology & Medical Imaging. Loyola Medicine
>
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>
> Medical Center
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