[Heb-NACO] Yiddish romanization question

[Shinohara, Jasmin]

Hi, Cliff.


Yiddish romanization is nothing like Hebrew romanization.



In the case below, we’re dealing with a Yiddish word of Hebrew origin, which is “romanized in a ‘Yiddishlike’ manner if found in what the cataloger determines to be a Yiddish context. … the current practice has been expanded to follow more closely the romanization in both [Wienreich] as well as Isidoro Niborski’s Ṿerṭerbukh fun Loshn-Ḳoydesh shṭamiḳe ṿerṭer (Paris, 2012) for most consonants, as well. … Use Weinreich and Niborski as guides for romanization of vowels and most consonants. However, differentiate between כ/ח and תּ/ט, כּ/ק with the underscore dots and transcribe final ה with an <h>.” (HCM-RDA, p. 22)



Looking in Niborski, then, under חתן (we are instructed to search for words without the article א), we see it given as כאסן with a קמץ under the א --> khosn; differentiating between כ and ח and adding the required diacritics yields ḥos̀n; adding the article yields aḥos̀n. As the first word in the title, it is capitalized, Aḥos̀n.



Please let me know if there are further questions. A joyous Sukot to all!

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Does the presence of the second vowel kamets not affect the romanization?

Clifford Miller



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Yes, samekh and sin (and sof) are always distinguished. From: Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces@ lists. osu. edu> On Behalf Of Barry Dov Walfish via Heb-naco Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2023 4: 51 PM To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <heb-naco@ lists. osu. edu>;

Yes, samekh and sin (and sof) are always distinguished.



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It’s in Weinreich also as khosn. So no differentiation between samekh and sin? On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 4: 34 PM Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco <heb-naco@ lists. osu. edu> wrote: Hi Caroline My thought is that based on our current of HCM, I would

It’s in Weinreich also as khosn.

So no differentiation between samekh and sin?



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Hi Caroline My thought is that based on our current of HCM, I would romanize it as "Aḥosn" "Use Weinreich and Niborski as guides for romanization of vowels and most consonants. However, differentiate between כ/ח and תּ/ט, כּ/ק

Hi Caroline



My thought is that based on our current of HCM, I would romanize it as "Aḥosn"





"Use Weinreich and Niborski as guides for romanization of vowels and most consonants. However, differentiate between כ/ח and תּ/ט, כּ/ק with the underscore dots and transcribe final ה with an “h.” When Weinreich offers a choice of romanizations, the first is adopted. If a Hebrew two-word expression is written as two words in a Yiddish context, this spacing is imitated in the romanization. Hebrew Script Weinreich Niborski ALA-LC Romanization טוב יום YONTEV/YONTEF יאָנטעװ yon ṭev Kiper Yin יאָנקיפּער/יאָמקיפּער YONKIPER/YINKIPER יום כיפור הסופר עזרא -- -- Ezra ha-Soyfer.



I could not locate "חתן" in Weinrich so I went to Niborski.



Just my thoughts.



best, Heidi





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All, I have a Yiddish literary work published in Vilna in 1897. The first word in the title is אחתן with patah under א, kamats under both ח and ת. The copy I see for a later edition romanizes it as “Aḥos̀n” but I don’t know how the nikud appeared

All,



I have a Yiddish literary work published in Vilna in 1897.  The first word in the title is אחתן  with patah under א, kamats under both ח and ת.



The copy I see for a later edition romanizes it as “Aḥos̀n” but I don’t know how the nikud appeared on that piece.  Wouldn’t my piece be romanized “Aḥos̀on?” because of the two successively appearing kamatsim?



Wishing you all a happy Sukkot!



Caroline



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