[Heb-NACO] Romanisation of בביזנטיון'

Tue Jul 25 13:18:32 EDT 2023

I agree with Yossi.

Hadassa

On Tue, Jul 25, 2023, 7:05 PM Galron, Joseph via Heb-naco <
heb-naco at lists.osu.edu> wrote:

> Well, I don’t agree with the notion that we have to transcribe the
> non-Hebrew names according to the rules of the Hebrew language.
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> A search in the OCLC database found 1266 hits for “be-Polin” (of those
> there are 146 records from the Library of Congress) and 140 hits for
> “be-Folin” (of those there are 2 records from LC).
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> Hebrew place name (Bene Berak, Berit ha-mo’atsot, etc.) should be
> transcribed according to the Hebrew grammar rules (i.e bi-Vene Berak,
> bi-Verit ha-moatsot, etc.)
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> That reminds me on the story about the discussion in the Israeli Kenesset
> in the 1950s when Rabbi Fishman of the Mafdal party  complained that the
> government does not encourage the use of proper grammatical rules,
> especially a case of Dagesh in the letters Bet, Gimel, Dalet, Kaf, Peh and
> Tav when they are at the beginning of a word. David Ben Gurion answered –
> “Mar Pishman tsodek”, and that ended the discussion.
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> Yossi
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> *From:* Heb-naco *On Behalf Of *Gottschalk, Haim via Heb-naco
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 25, 2023 9:45 AM
> *To:* Freedman, Vanessa <v.freedman at ucl.ac.uk>; Hebrew Name Authority
> Funnel <heb-naco at lists.osu.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [Heb-NACO] Romanisation of בביזנטיון
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> Hi Vanessa, Grammatically speaking, I would Romanize it as be-Vizant. yun.
> It is a foreign loan word. However, that said, in check in our database for
> בברוקלין (in Brooklyn), I found the Romanization as bi-Bruḳlin. However,
> that said I also
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> Hi Vanessa,
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> Grammatically speaking, I would Romanize it as be-Vizant.yun. It is a
> foreign loan word. However, that said, in check in our database for
> בברוקלין (in Brooklyn), I found the Romanization as bi-Bruḳlin. However,
> that said I also search for בבני ברק and found bi-Vene Berak. My
> inclination would be to have the B instead of a V, for the sake of
> searching, similar to the idea of how we Romanize בירושלים as
> bi-Yerushalayim instead of birushalayim.
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> My 3.37 cents.
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> Best,
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> Haim
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> *From:* Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces at lists.osu.edu> *On Behalf Of *Freedman,
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> How would you Romanise בביזנטיון (in Byzantium)? I would think
> be-Vizanṭyon but OCLC 1378074102 has be-Bizanṭyon. Would you retain the B
> after be- because it’s a foreign loan word? Thanks Vanessa Vanessa Freedman
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> How would you Romanise  בביזנטיון (in Byzantium)? I would think
> be-Vizanṭyon but OCLC 1378074102 has be-Bizanṭyon. Would you retain the B
> after be- because it’s a foreign loan word?
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