[Heb-NACO] Date of publication based on the destruction of the Temple

Fri Jul 21 14:53:50 EDT 2023

Jasmin,
Thank you for your message.
The question is not when the Temple was destroyed, 68, 69 or 70 A.D. The question is what year did Ben Yehudah and his publications think that the Temple was destroyed and according to that year calculated the date on the published book or newspaper. According to the sources that year was 69 A.D., so we have to add 69 to the date on the publication.
Yossi

P.S. If you don’t like A.D. – you can read it as C.E.

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Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Date of publication based on the destruction of the Temple

There seems to be a stray space in my date range below; it should read [that is, between 1902-1905]. Also, the descriptive note can be more succinct, “Publication date is counted from the destruction of the Second Temple which occurred between
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There seems to be a stray space in my date range below; it should read [that is, between 1902-1905].

Also, the descriptive note can be more succinct, “Publication date is counted from the destruction of the Second Temple which occurred between 68-70 CE.”

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Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Date of publication based on the destruction of the Temple

Hi, I think Robert meant that 1849 was 1916/1917 per the linked article Yossi had sent. 1849-1836 (the date in Yossi’s publication) is a difference of 13 years; 1916/1917-13 = 1903/1904. However, I’m not sure about Ben-Yehudah’s use of the
Hi, I think Robert meant that 1849 was 1916/1917 per the linked article Yossi had sent. 1849-1836 (the date in Yossi’s publication) is a difference of 13 years; 1916/1917-13 = 1903/1904. However, I’m not sure about Ben-Yehudah’s use of the date 69 CE as the year of the destruction of Bayit Sheni. Dates given range from 68 CE (per Seder Olam Rabbah) to 70 CE (per Sefer Ezra‘). To be safe, you probably ought to give the Gregorian date as the range “between 1902-1905”.

As for recording the publication date, I’d transcribe what’s on the piece in the vernacular field and supply the Gregorian equivalent in square brackets following the romanized form of the date:
                300 |c אלף אתתל"ה לחרבן.
300 |c elef 836 la-H.urban [that is, between 1902- 1905]
Optionally, you could add a 500 descriptive note explaining that the date provided is counted from the destruction of the Second Temple which occurred sometime between 68 to 70 of the Common Era.

Kol tuv and שבת שלום, Jasmin

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Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Date of publication based on the destruction of the Temple

Hi Yossi: Assuming that 8441 is 1916/1917, $c אלף אתתל''ה לחרבן, [that is, 1911 or 1912] $c elef 836 le-Hurban [that is, 1911 or 1912] 500 Publication date is based on the destruction of the Second Temple. My two cents On Thu, Jul 20,
Hi Yossi:

Assuming that 8441 is 1916/1917,
$c אלף אתתל''ה לחרבן, [that is, 1911 or 1912]
$c elef 836 le-Hurban [that is, 1911 or 1912]
500 Publication date is based on the destruction of the Second Temple.

My two cents

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Colleagues,
How do you calculate the date of publication when the date on the book is based on the date of the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem:
בשנת אלף אתתל"ה לחרבן

Thank you

Yossi

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