[Heb-NACO] romanization: דיוקן

Tue Dec 19 13:03:31 EST 2023

Another recent title for correction: on 1293220430, דיוקן בשביל הדורות, with 24 holding libraries.

Thanks, Jasmin

From: Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces at lists.osu.edu> On Behalf Of Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco
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To: Barry Dov Walfish <barry.dov.walfish at gmail.com>; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <heb-naco at lists.osu.edu>; Frau-Cortes, Neil <NFRAUCORTES at broward.org>
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization: דיוקן

Barry for the win! Friends, please let me refresh your memories on the foreign-loan word practice we discussed in 2016 and 2017 and recorded in HCM-RDA, p. 17: “In the case of foreign loan words of Latin or Greek origin, Alcalay should not
Barry for the win!

Friends, please let me refresh your memories on the foreign-loan word practice we discussed in 2016<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/rascat.pbworks.com/w/page/117519816/Minutes*202016__;JQ!!KGKeukY!wZ27lgwSm_QH9alEx5OO1XnFO8DDs_VKPQBwoaEIUyY1bSgA7DfxtSdr1nH6aFPnEJV7w7JKz1MRbkgWzNatLA$> and 2017<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/rascat.pbworks.com/w/page/127052099/Minutes*202017__;JQ!!KGKeukY!wZ27lgwSm_QH9alEx5OO1XnFO8DDs_VKPQBwoaEIUyY1bSgA7DfxtSdr1nH6aFPnEJV7w7JKz1MRbkhkvzqXQg$> and recorded in HCM-RDA, p. 17:
“In the case of foreign loan words of Latin or Greek origin, Alcalay should not be followed, and an initial consonantal cluster is treated as a sheva naḥ. These initial clusters retain the effect of vowel "heightening"--the sheṿa of the prefixes be-, ke-, and le- becomes a ḥiriḳ: bi-, ki-, li-.”

Frequently encountered Latin/Greek origin words are found on the wiki<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/rascat.pbworks.com/w/page/118838121/Foreign*20loan*20words*t__;JSUj!!KGKeukY!wZ27lgwSm_QH9alEx5OO1XnFO8DDs_VKPQBwoaEIUyY1bSgA7DfxtSdr1nH6aFPnEJV7w7JKz1MRbkiNRwQUKA$>, dyoḳan among them.

Please let me know if there are further questions. Thanks, Jasmin

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Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization: דיוקן

Isn’t it because it’s a foreign-derived word? Barry On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 9: 39 AM Frau-Cortes, Neil via Heb-naco <heb-naco@ lists. osu. edu> wrote: For what it’s worth, Morfix/Rav Milim has a sheva and of course a daguesh on the dalet. 
Isn’t it because it’s a foreign-derived word?
Barry

On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 9:39 AM Frau-Cortes, Neil via Heb-naco <heb-naco at lists.osu.edu<mailto:heb-naco at lists.osu.edu>> wrote:
For what it’s worth, Morfix/Rav Milim has a sheva and of course a daguesh on the dalet. As for Dyok. an, I know this is not about intuitiveness or being user-friendly, but this double consonant at the beginning of a word looks extremely odd,
For what it’s worth, Morfix/Rav Milim has a sheva and of course a daguesh on the dalet.

As for Dyok.an, I know this is not about intuitiveness or being user-friendly, but this double consonant at the beginning of a word looks extremely odd, no matter if you consider the second one a semi-consonant.

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Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization: דיוקן

Hi, I don't have access to E-S at home so I checked my Alkalay: It shows דיוקן with a Sheva under the ד. Does it appear in E-S with or without a Sheva under the ד? If it appears with a Sheva what is the grammatical reason for the romanization
Hi, I don't have access to E-S at home so I checked my Alkalay: It shows דיוקן with a Sheva under the ד. Does it appear in E-S with or without a Sheva under the ד? If it appears with a Sheva what is the grammatical reason for the romanization
Hi, I don't have access to E-S at home so I checked my Alkalay:

It shows דיוקן  with a Sheva under the ד.

Does it appear in E-S with or without a Sheva under the ד?

If it appears with a Sheva what is the grammatical reason for the romanization is to be "dyoḳan".

Thanks, Heidi
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Subject: [Heb-NACO] romanization: דיוקן

Hi, a friendly reminder that the above (foreign loan) word is romanized dyoḳan (not deyoḳan). For the 24 libraries with holdings on on 1293219371 (דיוקן של פרשן ר' אברהם אבן עזרא), you may wish to update your local records. The word is found

Hi, a friendly reminder that the above (foreign loan) word is romanized dyoḳan (not deyoḳan). For the 24 libraries with holdings on on 1293219371 (דיוקן של פרשן ר' אברהם אבן עזרא), you may wish to update your local records.

The word is found in the Romanization FAQ<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/rascat.pbworks.com/w/page/109347700/Romanization*20FAQ__;JQ!!KGKeukY!wmC5mtgWgky00b84jV4Z_c_B3ZPRrCvBJvhJbhb5zfpSHI6uSTGej1NGDLCGEKh_-w03UJFufVxyaJVNwZEMlQ$>. Please let me know if there are any questions.

Thanks, Jasmin

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