[Heb-NACO] [EXT] - Re: Romanization of ההונן

Mon Aug 7 13:56:58 EDT 2023

Good catch, thanks, Aaron!

From: Taub, Jeremiah Aaron <atau at loc.gov>
Sent: Monday, August 7, 2023 11:57 AM
To: Lili Brown <ljbrown at stanford.edu>; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <heb-naco at lists.osu.edu>; Shinohara, Jasmin <jshino at upenn.edu>; Marlene Schiffman <schiffma at yu.edu>; Galron, Joseph <galron.1 at osu.edu>
Subject: RE: [Heb-NACO] [EXT] - Re: Romanization of ההונן

Dear All,

In terms of capitalization, LC romanizes as ha-Ḥonen le-Adam Daʻat.

Best,
A

From: Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces at lists.osu.edu<mailto:heb-naco-bounces at lists.osu.edu>> On Behalf Of Lili Brown via Heb-naco
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2023 3:00 PM
To: Shinohara, Jasmin <jshino at upenn.edu<mailto:jshino at upenn.edu>>; Marlene Schiffman <schiffma at yu.edu<mailto:schiffma at yu.edu>>; heb-naco <heb-naco at lists.osu.edu<mailto:heb-naco at lists.osu.edu>>; Galron, Joseph <galron.1 at osu.edu<mailto:galron.1 at osu.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] [EXT] - Re: Romanization of ההונן

CAUTION: This email message has been received from an external source. Please use caution when opening attachments, or clicking on links.
Thanks Yossi, Marlene, and Jasmin for the swift and clear assistance! From: Shinohara, Jasmin <jshino@ upenn. edu> Sent: Friday, July 28, 2023 11: 42 AM To: Marlene Schiffman <schiffma@ yu. edu>; heb-naco <heb-naco@ lists. osu. edu>;
Thanks Yossi, Marlene, and Jasmin for the swift and clear assistance!
________________________________
From: Shinohara, Jasmin <jshino at upenn.edu<mailto:jshino at upenn.edu>>
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2023 11:42 AM
To: Marlene Schiffman <schiffma at yu.edu<mailto:schiffma at yu.edu>>; heb-naco <heb-naco at lists.osu.edu<mailto:heb-naco at lists.osu.edu>>; Galron, Joseph <galron.1 at osu.edu<mailto:galron.1 at osu.edu>>; Lili Brown <ljbrown at stanford.edu<mailto:ljbrown at stanford.edu>>
Subject: RE: [Heb-NACO] [EXT] - Re: Romanization of ההונן

For some our newer colleagues and those less familiar with liturgical texts, it may not be so obvious.

The expressionהחונן לאדם דעת , ha-.honen le-adam da‘at, is from the weekdayעמידה /‘Amidah<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amidah__;!!KGKeukY!wDXLAA_15wJS7EHwAyggQ5syECXDJhhbbt1jKPwtydQI6yJ8Vws_8P7vhb6QkRzC15lczBv6CmirO4iBLmwZu4UQ$> prayer, where the fourth berakhah<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/he.wikipedia.org/wiki/**G_**G_**G__;15HXqNeb16rXl9eV16DXn9eU15PXoteq!!KGKeukY!wDXLAA_15wJS7EHwAyggQ5syECXDJhhbbt1jKPwtydQI6yJ8Vws_8P7vhb6QkRzC15lczBv6CmirO4iBLs-yPRUR$> is

[cid:image001.png at 01D9C937.07DF28B0][cid:image001.png at 01D9C937.07DF28B0][cid:image002.jpg at 01D9C937.07DF28B0]

From: Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces at lists.osu.edu<mailto:heb-naco-bounces at lists.osu.edu>> On Behalf Of Marlene Schiffman via Heb-naco
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2023 2:07 PM
To: Galron, Joseph <galron.1 at osu.edu<mailto:galron.1 at osu.edu>>; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <heb-naco at lists.osu.edu<mailto:heb-naco at lists.osu.edu>>; Lili Brown <ljbrown at stanford.edu<mailto:ljbrown at stanford.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] [EXT] - Re: Romanization of ההונן

The title page sure looks like a heh, but it is obviously ha-h. onen le-adam da'at with a het. Sent from my T-Mobile 5G Device Get Outlook for Android From: Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces+schiffma=yu. edu@ lists. osu. edu> on behalf of Galron,

The title page sure looks like a heh, but it is obviously ha-h.onen le-adam da'at with a het.

Sent from my T-Mobile 5G Device
Get Outlook for Android<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/aka.ms/AAb9ysg__;!!KGKeukY!xkyo9FsJyaQiAED_Skwtd3r5xEACWXCl0c8Y6kHMySs6wEBFoPpivq8nx0VEtUu2H6cKrypliRzevUaE-FRcGQ$>

________________________________

From: Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces+schiffma=yu.edu at lists.osu.edu<mailto:heb-naco-bounces+schiffma=yu.edu at lists.osu.edu>> on behalf of Galron, Joseph via Heb-naco <heb-naco at lists.osu.edu<mailto:heb-naco at lists.osu.edu>>
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2023 1:48:51 PM
To: Lili Brown <ljbrown at stanford.edu<mailto:ljbrown at stanford.edu>>; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <heb-naco at lists.osu.edu<mailto:heb-naco at lists.osu.edu>>
Subject: [EXT] - Re: [Heb-NACO] Romanization of ההונן

**External Email**

Lili,

It is החונן – ha-.honen

See

https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.hebrewbooks.org/34826__;!!KGKeukY!yoYTlD8-ZbAUpDZ2fzqGLC21ehdee_3ImF6pTvVAQAkrFA89quYw02LgZTl-v6xD6s_ccUeJ1I2CfCw_qMgxqQ$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.hebrewbooks.org/34826__;!!KGKeukY!xkyo9FsJyaQiAED_Skwtd3r5xEACWXCl0c8Y6kHMySs6wEBFoPpivq8nx0VEtUu2H6cKrypliRzevUZSVHi-LQ$>

Yossi

From: Heb-naco On Behalf Of Lili Brown via Heb-naco
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2023 1:09 PM
To: heb-naco at lists.osu.edu<mailto:heb-naco at lists.osu.edu>
Subject: [Heb-NACO] Romanization of ההונן

kol tsoholah 1. pdf Hi all, Hopping on the Romanization help train here. Thanks in advance for your time and assistance! I'm cataloging a reproduction of ספר קול צהלה (original OCLC: #500291215) and am stuck on the word ההונן in the subtitle. 

[Image removed by sender.]kol tsoholah 1.pdf<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/office365stanford-my.sharepoint.com/:b:/g/personal/ljbrown_stanford_edu/EVdXZ2sxVUJOuMbErF8xKKUBZG0d-2xD53PdBL286CI4kQ__;!!KGKeukY!wOYQzpQLEVByZlIEzR4T5CNa4BIHkaX6Bha4sPV20J3DG1mAfHN4U-533GunYXRgMtjpmvUYewGjFIi2P09HnQlU$>

Hi all,

Hopping on the Romanization help train here. Thanks in advance for your time and assistance!

I'm cataloging a reproduction of ספר קול צהלה (original OCLC: #500291215) and am stuck on the word ההונן in the subtitle. I've attached the title page - as you can see, the reproduction isn't crystal clear, but I feel certain that the spelling is ההונן rather than one of the ה's being a ח, but I could definitely be wrong. A keyword search of this word didn't lend me any results, and I can't seem to track it down in Even Shoshan (pages I consulted also attached).

In context, the whole subtitle phrase makes me think it is a sort of conjugation or (mis?)spelling of הון, so my best guess at the Romanization is ha-honan.

Curious what others think and would appreciate any perspectives!

Best,

Lili

P.S. - if anyone can't view the PDF attachment, let me know. I originally attached it to the email as a separate file (versus a OneDrive link), but the listserv said it was too big a file to send out. My apologies if that means this email went out twice...!

Lili Brown (she/her)

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Services

[cid:image004.png at 01D9C937.07DF28B0]

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.osu.edu/pipermail/heb-naco/attachments/20230807/78ed07c9/attachment-0001.html>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: image001.png
Type: image/png
Size: 181 bytes
Desc: image001.png
URL: <http://lists.osu.edu/pipermail/heb-naco/attachments/20230807/78ed07c9/attachment-0002.png>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: image002.jpg
Type: image/jpeg
Size: 34367 bytes
Desc: image002.jpg
URL: <http://lists.osu.edu/pipermail/heb-naco/attachments/20230807/78ed07c9/attachment-0002.jpg>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: image003.jpg
Type: image/jpeg
Size: 823 bytes
Desc: image003.jpg
URL: <http://lists.osu.edu/pipermail/heb-naco/attachments/20230807/78ed07c9/attachment-0003.jpg>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: image004.png
Type: image/png
Size: 8868 bytes
Desc: image004.png
URL: <http://lists.osu.edu/pipermail/heb-naco/attachments/20230807/78ed07c9/attachment-0003.png>