[Heb-NACO] 046 Hebrew date coding in NARs

Fri Apr 23 20:39:15 EDT 2021

I was under the impression that rules didn't go into effect until
published.

On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 11:58 AM Shinohara, Jasmin <jshino at pobox.upenn.edu>
wrote:

> Dear colleagues, I regret that the guidance coming from LC/PCC is not more
> popular among you. Nevertheless, our NACO work is bound by LC/PCC policy.
> As such, henceforth, please code Hebrew dates that are not substantiated by
> Gregorian dates as uncertain in NACO records.
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> Thanks and kol tuv, Jasmin
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> *From:* Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces at lists.osu.edu> *On Behalf Of *Robert
> M. TALBOTT via Heb-naco
> *Sent:* Friday, April 23, 2021 9:34 AM
> *To:* Galron, Joseph <galron.1 at osu.edu>; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <
> heb-naco at lists.osu.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [Heb-NACO] 046 Hebrew date coding in NARs
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> I agree with Yosi. There's no real benefit in ramping up the complexity of
> the 046 to cover the possibility that someone was born before sunset.
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> Bob
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> On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 8:50 PM Galron, Joseph via Heb-naco <
> heb-naco at lists.osu.edu> wrote:
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> I encountered this issue for my Lexicon as well for entering dates in
> Wikidata (and encyclopedic entries in the Hebrew Wikipedia).
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> My opinion is that we should put the later date and only in cases we know
> the two dates then to prefer the Hebrew date. Our life is complicated
> enough. We have a tool to convert Hebrew calendar to the Gregorian calendar
> and vis-a-versa https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.hebcal.com/converter__;!!KGKeukY!lrErIXTTljFlfrhzCoeD4WrvbupZejO8xTBPnNI0iLFMZCado2_SLyVSF3AH_qrhAUL3$ 
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> Is it really critical to know if someone was born in the evening before
> sunset or after sunset? (the only case for us will be if someone was
> born/died on December 31, 1969 or January 1, 1970 – this changes the
> heading in the 100 field).
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> I have so many stories I encountered while doing my biographical research
> for “my authors” where the Hebrew date is totally different then the
> Gregorian date on tombstones, in encyclopedias (Tidhar for example),
> Lexicons (Kressel and others). I saw letters by people who wrote that their
> Zeide told them they were born on Erev Shabbes of Hanukka, of תר"ע  1910
> (Erev Shabbes of Hanukka was December 1909 and not 1910)
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> Remember – we have a backlog of Sforim we need to catalog – not too much
> time to spend on the issue if someone was born or died before or after
> sunset.
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> At this opportunity I invite you to view my working document in which I
> record the biographical information
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> My two Groschen to the issue
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> Yossi
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> *From:* Heb-naco *On Behalf Of *Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 22, 2021 5:32 PM
> *To:* Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <heb-naco at lists.osu.edu>
> *Subject:* [Heb-NACO] 046 Hebrew date coding in NARs
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> Hi, folks, I hope this email finds you all well.
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> I recently had the opportunity to get some guidance on how to code dates
> in the authority 046 when the date/s available is/are only using the Hebrew
> calendar. This was my question:
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> “Hebrew dates span two calendar days and, as such, two Gregorian dates.
> Till now, the majority of catalogers have made an assumption that the
> Hebrew date is the latter of the two Gregorian dates and only coded that
> date in the 046 (indicating certainty). The question is, is such practice
> ok/correct? Or should catalogers be erring on the side of caution and
> coding the 046 date as uncertain, e.g. [2012-07-31, 2012-08-01], unless a
> Gregorian date is also given to confirm the date? I don’t recall seeing any
> guidance on this subject. Can you please advise?”
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> This was the response from LC:
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> “What an interesting question about EDTF, especially since it was a topic
> here at LC a couple of weeks ago (not about Hebrew dates, but about what
> catalogers are supposed to do in the 046 field in general). I would err
> on the side of caution and give both dates in the 046 field when the
> Gregorian date is not known. Come to think of it, maybe I will add
> something about this to the DCM Z1 046 update that I am working on as a
> result of that meeting we had here a couple of weeks ago. That will
> document it.” (highlight added)
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> Please let me know if you have any questions.
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> Best wishes, Jasmin
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> Jasmin Shinohara
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> Hebraica Cataloging Librarian
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> University of Pennsylvania
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> jshino at upenn.edu
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> Bob Talbott
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> Hebraica cataloger/Curatorial Assistant to the Judaica Collection
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> UC Berkeley
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> 250 Moffitt
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> Berkeley, CA 94720
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> Lue musaraba shu biburueada Bilgameshe nam habadabkure.
>

-- 
Bob Talbott

Hebraica cataloger/Curatorial Assistant to the Judaica Collection

UC Berkeley

250 Moffitt

Berkeley, CA 94720

Lue musaraba shu biburueada Bilgameshe nam habadabkure.
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