[Heb-NACO] Transliterating yud heh vav heh

Fri Jul 7 14:57:27 EDT 2017

FYI, I asked if the Name occurred in a Biblical quotation on the off-chance
that it was, instead, one of those mad modern books that talk about
"Yahweh."  I can imagine that in certain circumstances, THAT might be the
appropriate romanization.

Joan

On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 2:53 AM, Freedman, Vanessa <v.freedman at ucl.ac.uk>
wrote:

> I agree with Jasmin. I can’t imagine anyone would read (or search for) the
> Tetragrammaton (even if vocalised) as ‘Yehovah’
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> *From:* Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces at lists.osu.edu] *On Behalf Of *Shinohara,
> Jasmin
> *Sent:* 06 July 2017 16:28
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> *To:* Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <heb-naco at lists.osu.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [Heb-NACO] Transliterating yud heh vav heh
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> I don’t think that formulation is clear, Jerry Anne. Typically, where
> vowels are supplied, it is to indicate whether the Name should be
> pronounced as Ado-nai or as Elokim. To say “it should be Romanized with the
> vowels as given in the source” may imply using the YHṾH consonants with
> the addition of the supplied vowels, but those consonants are not
> (typically) intended to be pronounced. I think if the vocalization is
> given, that form (Ado-nai or Elokim) should be in the 245 with the addition
> of YHṾH in the 246.
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> My half cent. Jasmin
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> *From:* Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces+jshino=pobox.upenn.edu at lists.
> osu.edu <heb-naco-bounces+jshino=pobox.upenn.edu at lists.osu.edu>] *On
> Behalf Of *Dickel, Geraldine
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 06, 2017 11:17 AM
> *To:* rtalbott at library.berkeley.edu; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
> *Subject:* Re: [Heb-NACO] Transliterating yud heh vav heh
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> Good question.  If the vowels are supplied should the Tetragrammaton be
> Romanized with the vowels?
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> Should the HCM say: The unvocalized Tetragrammaton, יהוה, should be
> Romanized YHṾH.  If the Tetragrammaton is vocalized it should be Romanized
> with the vowels as given in the source.”
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> Thoughts?
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> Best,
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> Jerry Anne
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> *From:* Robert M. TALBOTT [mailto:rtalbott at library.berkeley.edu
> <rtalbott at library.berkeley.edu>]
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 06, 2017 10:58 AM
> *To:* Dickel, Geraldine <geraldine.dickel at yale.edu>; Hebrew Name
> Authority Funnel <heb-naco at lists.osu.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [Heb-NACO] Transliterating yud heh vav heh
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> Well, it's been lost in the dust up, but what about cases where vowels are
> supplied?  Or is the Tetragrammaton always YHVH in all instances,
> euphemistic added entries not with standing?
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> On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 6:27 AM, Dickel, Geraldine <
> geraldine.dickel at yale.edu> wrote:
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> I have added: “The Tetragrammaton, יהוה, should be Romanized YHṾH.” to
> page 32 of the HCM under Names of the Divinity.  Jasmin has also added it
> to the Romanization FAQ document on the AJL RAS Cataloging wiki.
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> Thank you,
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> Jerry Anne
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> *From:* Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces+geraldine.dickel=yale.edu@
> lists.osu.edu] *On Behalf Of *Robert M. TALBOTT
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 05, 2017 5:31 PM
> *To:* Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <heb-naco at lists.osu.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [Heb-NACO] Transliterating yud heh vav heh
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> Thanks folks.
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> Is there any chance we could get a transliteration advisory covering this
> included in the HCM? 'Twould be quite handy for those few times it actually
> happens.
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> B
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> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 1:59 PM, Judith Zupnick <judiezup at msn.com> wrote:
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> I agree with Joan.
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> *From:* Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces+judiezup=msn.com at lists.osu.edu> on
> behalf of Joan Biella <jbiella2632 at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 5, 2017 1:39 PM
> *To:* Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
> *Subject:* Re: [Heb-NACO] Transliterating yud heh vav heh
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> I agree with Aaron, and would advocate for YHVH (subscript dot under V) as
> the least controversial way to deal with this situation.
>
> Joan
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> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 1:22 PM, Kuperman, Aaron <akup at loc.gov> wrote:
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> Assuming there are no nekudot, would it not be presumptuous for a
> cataloger to claim to know how it would be pronounced.
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> Aaron Kuperman, LC Law Cataloging Section.
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> This is not an official communication from my employer
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> *From:* Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces+akup=loc.gov at lists.osu.edu] *On
> Behalf Of *Robert M. TALBOTT
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 05, 2017 3:49 PM
> *To:* Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
> *Subject:* [Heb-NACO] Transliterating yud heh vav heh
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> Hi folks:
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> I'm cataloging a book right now that has the tetragrammaton in the title.
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> 1) YHVH? This is what the record has
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> 2) Yehovah? My preference
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> 3) Yahveh? As good as any other
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> 4) Or should we use a euphemism,e.g ha-Shem?
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> I'm not invested in this one and am agnostic as to the outcome, but which
> form is preferred? The euphemism 'ha-Shem" and "Adonai" are already slotted
> in the record as added title entries.
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> B
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> Bob Talbott
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> Principal cataloger/Hebraica cataloger
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> UC Berkeley
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> 250 Moffitt
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> Berkeley, CA 94720
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> I'm just mad about Saffron
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> Bob Talbott
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> Principal cataloger/Hebraica cataloger
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