[Heb-NACO] Explicit shevas in consonantal clusters in loans

[Janet Shamir]

Hi,

From the Hebrew point of view:

a.
1. Any sheva at the end of a Hebrew word is silent. 
2. In the case of consecutive shevas, the first of the two will always be silent.  
So if a word ends with two shevas, they are both considered silent.

b. 
In this specific case, the title in question (Sealand) is not Hebrew at all, but a borrowed word, known in Hebrew as "loʻazit".
The Academy of the Hebrew Language states a simple rule for such words:
 כל שווא במילים לועזיות הוא שווא נח.
*All shevas in non-Hebrew words are silent*
(note: this rule does not always apply to ancient loan words(
	
Therefore, I think all the "-ism"/"-ist" words should only be Romanized as "-izm"/"-isṭ" , and there is no need for an extra 246 with "silaned". In fact, such a 246 would be against Hebrew vocalization rules.
  

Please see paragraph 9 (ט) in the following link, taken from the Academy's website 
(chapter 5.2 of the Academy’s collected grammatical rulings:
 ניקודן של מילים לועזיות בלשוננו)

http://hebrew-academy.org.il/topic/hahlatot/grammardecisions/borrowed-words/5-2-%D7%A0%D7%99%D7%A7%D7%95%D7%93%D7%9F-%D7%A9%D7%9C-%D7%9E%D7%99%D7%9C%D7%99%D7%9D-%D7%9C%D7%95%D7%A2%D7%96%D7%99%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%91%D7%9C%D7%A9%D7%95%D7%A0%D7%A0%D7%95/


Shabbat Shalom,
Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces at lists.osu.edu] On Behalf Of Heidi G Lerner
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 11:10 PM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel; rtalbott at library.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Explicit shevas in consonantal clusters in loans

Hi Bob,

This case is a good example. I believe that we can justify romanizing סילנד as Siland since we do have a found romanization "Sealand" on the title page verso.

As you point out, a 246 from Silaned is justified in order to provide a form that adheres to ala/lc rules of romanization.

What we may be seeing is that many of these kinds of examples will need to be addressed on a case by case  basis.

Best, Heidi

Heidi G. Lerner
Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica Metadata Dept.
Stanford University Libraries
Stanford, CA 94305-6004
ph: 650-725-9953
fax: 650-725-1120
e-mail: lerner at stanford.edu

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From: Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces at lists.osu.edu> on behalf of Robert M. TALBOTT <rtalbott at library.berkeley.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 12:26 PM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
Subject: [Heb-NACO] Explicit shevas in consonantal clusters in loans

Folks:

 I just ran into a case that's got me thinking about shevas.  In particular, the title of the work I'm cataloging right now is samekh yud lamed nun dalet, pointed as Silend.  However, the funny thing about this is that there's a sheva under the nun.

I know what they're trying to convey: Silend.  But since there's an explicit sheva under the nun (and an implicit one under the dalet), wouldn't that make it: Silened?

This pops up from time to time, particularly with the -izm ending where sometimes publishers will put a sheva under the zayin.

No matter the outcome, a 246 is in order to account for the variant.

Let me know what you think.

B
--
Bob Talbott

Principal cataloger/Hebraica cataloger

UC Berkeley

250 Moffitt

Berkeley, CA 94720

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