[ACVM] Vet micro education

[Daniels, Joshua]

Nail hit on head, Becky.  I agree 100% about a 5-year model.

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From: Acvm_diplomates [mailto:acvm_diplomates-bounces at lists.osu.edu] On Behalf Of Wilkes, Rebecca Penrose
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 12:10 PM
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Yes, exactly, glorified technicians... Why don't we just change the vet program to a 5-year degree program like other countries and require residency training? I see lots of the students entering internships/residency programs these days. It seems the vet schools mainly cater to the clinical residents anyway. If we start to expect the undergrad programs to supply the basic science training (as it seems we are), we could just incorporate this early training into the vet school program and have some control over what the students actually learn. This is probably crazy talk, but it seems the AVMA/AAVMC needs to consider some significant changes, especially given the cost of vet school these days and the lagging increase in salaries. No wonder vets are seeking specialty training. I just wish more schools would support specialties other than clinical specialties (or Pathology for that matter).

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From: Acvm_diplomates <acvm_diplomates-bounces at lists.osu.edu> on behalf of Daniels, Joshua <daniels.384 at osu.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 8:38 AM
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Subject: Re: [ACVM] Vet micro education

I completely agree, and wrote a little about this in my "platform" essay for the Board of Governors.  I think that the small animal residency issue is starting to face an over-supply for some specialties (e.g. internal medicine) and hopefully there will be some self-correction here as time goes on.  However, the AVMA/AAVMC emphasis of training "day-one ready" practitioners is what troubles me the most because veterinary curricula are being stripped of pre-clinical material. I fear that students are losing the basic science underpinnings of medicine and those who do not chose the residency route are essentially getting glorified veterinary technician training. Without an understanding and hopefully, appreciation, of Pathology/Micro (and for that matter, Physiology), I don't see many students attracted to this type of post-DVM training.


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From: Acvm_diplomates [mailto:acvm_diplomates-bounces at lists.osu.edu] On Behalf Of Johnathan Kiel
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 8:58 PM
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I agree and I worked for many years in a human centered research environment. The realization that zoonotic diseases were so important and the animal side of control was absolutely necessary changed a lot of attitudes amongst my MD colleagues.
Johnathan Kiel

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> On Dec 28, 2015, at 5:45 PM, Wilkes, Rebecca Penrose <beckpen at utk.edu> wrote:
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> Hi All,
> Just thinking about a few things lately. We are always asking ourselves in the BOG meetings how we can make ourselves more relevant. I am concerned about what I am seeing in the vet schools. It seems we are seeing more education geared toward small animal specialties, even in general vet education, at the expense of some more basic vet micro training. Addition of more and more internal med specialties and residencies but no addition of vet micro residencies. Also, I have observed a shift in the focus of research at vet schools toward animal models for human diseases for NIH funding. So, I ask, where does this leave us? How are we going to replace ourselves with the current direction things are heading? How do we get US veterinarians interested in vet micro if we continue to reduce vet micro classes/lectures in U.S. Vet schools and don't offer Vet micro residency programs? If we don't continue to value research for veterinary diseases, who will? Is this the impression others
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> re getting too? Other than WSU and CSU, are any schools supporting vet micro training? Maybe I am wrong about all this? Does anyone have an opinion?
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> Thanks,
> Becky Wilkes
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