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It looks like I was wrong and modern methods of quotation research are nothing compared to the work of great scholars like Stuart and Sarah !</div>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Neverow, Vara S. <neverowv1@southernct.edu><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 3, 2025 10:03 AM<br>
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Regarding that specific (and very slippery) misquotation about the Bloomsberries and squares and triangles and so forth, it's worth a glance at “squares where all the couples are triangles” by Stuart N. Clarke in Issue 92 of the
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I am just now discovering the misattribution page. Modern techniques of quotation research may be able to improve upon the information there. For example, "All the couples are triangles, and they all live in squares," referring to</div>
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I am just now discovering the misattribution page. Modern techniques of quotation research may be able to improve upon the information there. For example, "All the couples are triangles, and they all live in squares," referring to Bloomsbury, appeared in
the Daily Telegraph, July 11, 1974.</div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 3, 2025 9:41 AM<br>
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Or at least add a link from the wikiquote page to the VWSGB page?<br>
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> On Jan 3, 2025, at 9:31 AM, Sarah M. Hall via Vwoolf <vwoolf@lists.osu.edu> wrote:<br>
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> In case you didn’t know, Stuart N. Clarke and I set up a page dedicated to this kind of thing on the VWSGB website:In case you didn’t know, Stuart N. Clarke and I set up a page dedicated to this kind of thing on the VWSGB website:
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