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<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">The Mrs Dalloway proofs are page proofs, complete with page numbers at the top - the same number of pages that appeared in the printed book. Maybe other people can report on her other books?<br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Aug 22, 2024, at 5:17 AM, Jeremy Hawthorn via Vwoolf <vwoolf@lists.osu.edu> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><meta charset="UTF-8"><div class="elementToProof" style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">I'm surprised that changes to galleys should cost so much. With page proofs any change that alters the pagination has to be essential to be allowed, but my recollection is that sometimes galley proofs did not even have numbered pages. But I'm deep into the territory labelled "Ignorance" here. Page proofs were I think often used to compile the index where one was needed, so changes to them could have a serious knock-on effect.</div><div class="elementToProof" style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br></div><div class="elementToProof" style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">Is it the case that Woolf's fiction would typically be set first in galleys and then in page proofs?</div><div class="elementToProof" style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br></div><div class="elementToProof" style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">Jeremy H</div><div class="elementToProof" style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br></div><div id="Signature" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div dir="ltr" id="divtagdefaultwrapper" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><div style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px;">Professor Emeritus<br>Department of Language and Literature<br>NTNU<br>7491 Trondheim<br>Norway<br><br></div><div style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px;"><br></div></div></div><div id="appendonsend" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"></div><hr tabindex="-1" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; display: inline-block; width: 649.734375px;"><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;"></span><div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt;"><b>Fra:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Vwoolf <vwoolf-bounces@lists.osu.edu> på vegne av Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf <vwoolf@lists.osu.edu><br><b>Sendt:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>torsdag 22. august 2024 10:27<br><b>Til:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>vwoolf@lists.osu.edu <vwoolf@lists.osu.edu><br><b>Emne:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Vwoolf] Proofs</font><div> </div></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri;"><div>The R. & R. Clark Archive (Dep. 229) is held by the National Library of Scotland and their Invoice Journals are the most dependable for this info. The Hogarth Press Archives in Reading, with a folder for each book, should complement the Clark Invoice Journals, but their contents vary. They often have requests for estimates, which don’t seem to be available on the Clark side, rather than bills for the finished product.</div><div> </div><div>Stuart</div><div style="font-size: small; text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; display: inline;"><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: tahoma; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-emoji: normal; font-feature-settings: normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings: normal;"><div> </div><div style="background: rgb(245, 245, 245);"><div><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="mhussey@verizon.net">mhussey@verizon.net</a></div><div><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, August 21, 2024 1:57 PM</div><div><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="stuart.n.clarke@btinternet.com">'Stuart N. Clarke'</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="vwoolf@lists.osu.edu">vwoolf@lists.osu.edu</a></div><div><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>RE: [Vwoolf] Proofs</div></div></div><div> </div></div><div style="font-size: small; text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; display: inline;"><div class="x_WordSection1"><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">The MAPP project might well have the relevant business records—a very interesting point, Stuart!</span></div><p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"></span> </p><div style="border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(225, 225, 225) currentcolor currentcolor; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b><span style="font-size: 11pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Vwoolf <vwoolf-bounces@lists.osu.edu><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, August 21, 2024 5:31 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>vwoolf@lists.osu.edu<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[Vwoolf] Proofs</span></div></div><p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </p><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 1pt; color: white;">Note from EUP: “Please bear in mind that proofs are supplied so that we can pick up any typesetting errors or textual errors missed by the copyeditor. Any other amendments at proofs stage are strongly discouraged (and the cost can be charged</span></div></div><div><div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Note from EUP:</span></div></div><div><p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></p></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">“Please bear in mind that proofs are supplied so that we can pick up any typesetting errors or textual errors missed by the copyeditor. Any other amendments at proofs stage are strongly discouraged (and the cost can be charged back to the author if revisions are deemed excessive)”</span></div></div><div><p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></p></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Of course, times have changed from pre-typewriter days (e.g. Dickens), when the printers had to interpret handwriting, and then from VW’s time when the printers had to print from typescripts. Not everyone had their books professionally typed, but VW usually did.</span></div></div><div><p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></p></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">However, VW usually made substantial changes at the proof stage, and was charged accordingly and substantially by R. & R. Clark, her printer in Edinburgh. In all the discussions of VW’s proofs, this expense does not seem to have been remarked upon. “The Years” was exceptional, where she made huge changes to the galley proofs. These cost a fortune.</span></div></div><div><p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></p></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">I do not seem to have any costs readily to hand, except for “Jacob’s Room”, where there are, unfortunately, no proofs extant:</span></div></div><div><p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></p></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Typesetting £52.18.2</span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Extra for small type, etc. £4.5.0</span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Alterations and proofs £10.11.6</span></div></div><div><p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></p></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Trying to put that into today’s money: Typesetting @ £57.3.2 = c. £4,059</span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Alterations @ £10.11.6 = c. £748</span></div></div><div><p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></p></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Yikes! I wouldn’t pay that.</span></div></div><div><p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></p></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Stuart</span></div></div><div><p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></p></div><div><p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;">_______________________________________________</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;">Vwoolf mailing list</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;">Vwoolf@lists.osu.edu</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;">https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf</span></div></blockquote></div><br></body></html>