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I think not: ‘him’ *was* the problem. Grammatically, it refers to Joseph 8 ll. up. Stuart From: Zoe Guttenplan Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2024 2: 49 PM To: Stuart N. Clarke Cc: vwoolf@ lists. osu. edu Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Virginia Woolf's marked</div>
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<DIV>I think not: ‘him’ *was* the problem. Grammatically, it refers to
Joseph 8 ll. up.</DIV>
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<DIV>Stuart</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=zoeguttenplan@gmail.com>Zoe
Guttenplan</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, July 27, 2024 2:49 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=stuart.n.clarke@btinternet.com>Stuart N. Clarke</A>
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<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vwoolf@lists.osu.edu>vwoolf@lists.osu.edu</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vwoolf] Virginia Woolf's marked copies of her
books?</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>This is fascinating. From my typesetting experience, I know that a gappy
line is just as much of a problem as a tight one. It is therefore also possible
(technically, though less convincing perhaps) that her intention was to cut the
“after all” and the insertion of “Peter Walsh” was merely to fill the extra
space.</DIV>
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<DIV>Zoe</DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_attr dir=ltr>On Sat, 27 Jul 2024 at 13:22, Stuart N. Clarke via
Vwoolf <<A>vwoolf@lists.osu.edu</A>> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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has been remarked that, since VW knew from her own experience the
practicalities involved in setting type, when she altered a line in a reprint
she was careful to ensure that that line did not spill over onto the following
line. Thus, in</DIV>
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<DIV>It has been remarked that, since VW knew from her own experience the
practicalities involved in setting type, when she altered a line in a reprint
she was careful to ensure that that line did not spill over onto the following
line. Thus, in this instance, <FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">“Yet, after
all, how much she owed to him later.” became </FONT><SPAN><FONT
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">“Yet how much she owed Peter Walsh later.” (p.
56).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>If one were editing the text, it would be reasonable to argue that
what VW ‘really’ wanted was to amend it to <FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">“Yet,
after all, how much she owed to Peter Walsh later.”
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<DIV><SPAN>Stuart<U></U><U></U></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=mhussey@verizon.net>mhussey@verizon.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 26, 2024 4:47 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=stuart.n.clarke@btinternet.com>'Stuart N. Clarke'</A>
; <A title=edward.mendelson@columbia.edu>'Edward Mendelson'</A> ; <A
title=vwoolf@lists.osu.edu>vwoolf@lists.osu.edu</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Vwoolf] Virginia Woolf's marked copies of her
books?</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">For what it’s worth, in the
‘Definitive’ (!!!) Hogarth edition issued in 1990 G. Patton Wright says:
‘Virginia Woolf died in 1941, so the last edition she could possibly have
overseen was E4, published in 1942. Given the state of her health, her
depression, and the unfinished work on her last novel <I>Between the Acts</I>,
it is reasonable to conclude that she would have taken little interest in a
new edition of <I>Mrs. Dalloway</I>, one printed according to restrictions of
the wartime economy. Previoously, the next latest edition she might have
corrected was the “Uniform Edition” (E3), published by Hogarth in 1929 and
reissued in 1933. A collation of this text against E1 reveals that it is not
entirely a photo-offset reprint as Kirkpatrick claims. For example, on page
56, when Clarissa recalls her experiences with Peter Walsh at Bourton, both E1
and E2 read: “Yet, after all, how much she owed to him later.” However, E3
reads: “Yet how much she owed Peter Walsh later.”<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Et cetera !! I agree with BJK
that it seems impossible to produce any error-free book (speaking as someone
who spent about four years ‘editing’ Between the Acts and missed a real
howler…).<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> Vwoolf <vwoolf-bounces+mhussey=<A
target=_blank>verizon.net@lists.osu.edu</A>> <B>On Behalf Of </B>Stuart N.
Clarke via Vwoolf<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 26, 2024 9:54 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
Edward Mendelson <<A target=_blank>edward.mendelson@columbia.edu</A>>;
<A target=_blank>vwoolf@lists.osu.edu</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vwoolf]
Virginia Woolf's marked copies of her books?<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 1pt; COLOR: white">I am not aware
of the differences in the reset edition of Mrs Dalloway in 1942, but it was
reset because of wartime requirements: "some of Woolf’s books that Leonard
decided had to be reprinted would have resulted in a profligate use of
the<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">I am not aware
of the differences in the reset edition of <EM><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif'>Mrs Dalloway</SPAN></EM> in 1942,
but it was reset because of wartime
requirements:<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">"some of
Woolf’s books that Leonard decided had to be reprinted would have resulted in
a profligate use of the paper quota. Mrs. Dalloway appears to have been
an unfortunate example. When it was published in 1925, it ran to 294
pages; my sample page (177) has 223 words. Owing to the paper shortage,
Leonard must have decided in 1941 to have it reset, reducing it to 252 pages;
my sample page (149), which describes almost the same scene as the
corresponding sample page in the first edition, has 270 words. It was
published early in 1942 and therefore should have had 323 words to the page,
but it would not have needed to comply with the Agreement as the typesetting
would have begun before 1 January 1942; it does not carry the economy
declaration. In 1946, Chatto & Windus ‘took under its management the
Hogarth Press’ (Warner 23) and decided to issue Mrs. Dalloway under its Zodiac
Press imprint. It is hard to believe nowadays, when labour costs so much
and goods so comparatively little, that the novel had to be reset once again,
so that it could be printed in 1947 ‘in complete conformity with the
authorised economy standards’ ([4]). Now it was reduced to 216 pages of
a slightly larger size than in 1942, and my sample page (129) reaches the
target with 322 words." (<EM><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif'>VWB</SPAN></EM> no. 51, p.
33)<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Someone
(Leonard? John Lehmann?) would have found a copy of Mrs D – hopefully the 2nd
imp., but more likely the Uniform of 1929 or its reprint of 1933 (I haven’t
seen a copy, but it was probably the last time ‘destestable’ appeared) – and
chucked it over to the printers of the Garden City Press in Letchworth, Herts
(where the Hogarth Press itself was now located), and told to get on with
it. Someone might just possibly have remembered an additional correction
or corrections (kept in a folder, even), and someone, hopefully, would have
checked the text when it came back from the printers. Someone must have
noticed ‘destestable’. It’s wartime, but this is probably how it would
have happened in peacetime, too. (For a considerable number of mistakes
in VW’s essays collected in <EM><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif'>Granite and Rainbow</SPAN></EM>
(1958), see <EM><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri",sans-serif'>VWB</SPAN></EM> no. 51, pp.
35-6.)<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">B. J.
Kirkpatrick told me that she had visited a printer’s, and wondered how any
book got produced correctly!<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">By the way, by
comparing the 1942 text with the 1st edn, the 2nd imp., and the 1929 Uniform,
you may be able to deduce which was used to produce that new 1942
edn.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Stuart<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">From: Edward
Mendelson via Vwoolf <U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Sent: Friday,
July 26, 2024 1:47 PM <U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">To:
<A>vwoolf@lists.osu.edu</A> <U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Subject:
[Vwoolf] Virginia Woolf's marked copies of her books?
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Two copies of
The Voyage Out marked by the author for revision are known to exist. Does
anyone know where marked copies might be of her other books? I’m asking in the
hope that a marked copy might exist that would give some evidence for the
authority (if any) for the changes made in the reset edition of Mrs Dalloway
in 1942. My guess is that no such copy is known, or we would all know about
it, but it seemed to be worth asking. All information will be gratefully
received.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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