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Thanks for raising this, Stuart, and for all the great discussion. Apologies if I’ve missed someone else saying this but for me there are also overtones in this ending of phrases such as “hard shoes to fill”—the idea that when someone important
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thanks for raising this, Stuart, and for all the great discussion. Apologies if I’ve missed someone else saying this but for me there are also overtones in this ending of phrases such as “hard shoes
to fill”—the idea that when someone important dies or otherwise leaves their role, someone else must step into their shoes. Mrs Flanders’s question is unanswered, and the abrupt ending implies that it cannot be answered. No one can replace Jacob (certainly
not Bonamy), and the way of life and type of person represented by that particular young man has gone. “Did he think he would come back?”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Caroline<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Vwoolf <vwoolf-bounces+caroline.webb=newcastle.edu.au@lists.osu.edu>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 1 August 2022 2:44 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> vwoolf@lists.osu.edu<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vwoolf] They're a' oot o' step but oor Jock<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-line-height-alt:.75pt"><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">If Woolf was thinking of museums in chapter XIV, then she kept her thoughts to herself. There is no clue for the reader. If a scholar wishes to dig into all of
Woolf’s oeuvre to find a connexion, good luck to him or her, but it is to perverse
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">If Woolf was thinking of museums in chapter XIV, then she kept her thoughts to herself. There is no clue for the reader. If a scholar wishes to dig into all of Woolf’s oeuvre to
find a connexion, good luck to him or her, but it is to perverse to suggest (as Nash seems to) that the contents of museums are in the forefront of Woolf’s mind and that pathos is unintended or at least irrelevant.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Mrs Flanders seems to me to be a fairly unsentimental person, and I see her as trying to be practical and thinking of the shoes as just another thing of Jacob’s that has to be tidied
up. This is to deny – as Woolf denies us – the original ending of the novel: ‘They both laughed. The room waved behind her tears.’ But Bonamy will not fail to feel the pathos.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">If we must think of museums, then Jacob is unexceptional (except to his friends and relations), so nothing will go to a museum. Mrs Flanders might as well chuck the shoes or give
them to a second-hand clothes dealer or to some lower-class person she knows (such as her odd-job man Barnet) -- or to the deserving poor, perhaps through the COS (Charity Organisation Society). Cf. Clara and “one pair of elastic stockings for Mrs. Page,
widow, aged sixty-three, in receipt of five shillings out-door relief, and help from her only son employed in Messrs. Mackie’s dye-works, suffering in winter with his chest”.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">It was only the exceptional that ended up in a museum. Jacob was no Edward Thomas:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">which writers have over us is immensely personal; it is their actual voice that we<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">than on that, which seems not gossip but revelation.” (‘Flumina Amem Silvasque’, E2 161)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Stuart<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> Mark Hussey via Vwoolf
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Sent:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> Sunday, July 31, 2022 1:56 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a href="mailto:vwoolf@lists.osu.edu">vwoolf@lists.osu.edu</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-line-height-alt:.75pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">It is (pace Stuart) a risky business to dictate what is “possible” when it comes to reading anything, especially by Woolf. Yes, there is enormous pathos
in Betty Flanders’s question, but it seem to me that her question can fairly described
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">It is (<i>pace</i> Stuart) a risky business to dictate what is “possible” when it comes to reading anything, especially by Woolf. Yes, there is enormous pathos in Betty Flanders’s question, but it
seem to me that her question can fairly described as curatorial. It is the question all those who have to “deal with” what is left behind must face. And shoes seem singularly challenging. What
<i>am</i> I to do with these? Chuck ‘em? Put them on a shelf? Donate them? Give them to the local history museum? Wear them? I don’t know. It’s difficult.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">I’ve been thinking a lot recently about memorial culture, specifically in relation to the events known in the US as ‘9/11’ (see attached), and I doubt anything in Woolf is ever “simply one thing” (Ramsay,
J.).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"> Vwoolf <<a href="mailto:vwoolf-bounces@lists.osu.edu">vwoolf-bounces@lists.osu.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Christine Froula via Vwoolf<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, July 31, 2022 7:09 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:vwoolf@lists.osu.edu">vwoolf@lists.osu.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vwoolf] They're a' oot o' step but oor Jock<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-line-height-alt:.75pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">Many thanks for your wonderful post, Stuart, so thoughtful and thought-provoking in regard to connections between private memorializing by way of relics
left by the deceased and museum curation. Similar questions come into play in both domains
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<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Many thanks for your wonderful post, Stuart, so thoughtful and thought-provoking in regard to connections between private memorializing by way of relics left by the deceased and museum curation. Similar
questions come into play in both domains at their respective scales: what to keep? what to toss? what to give away? what to show? what to pass on? In both domains, those who remember and value the deceased selectively invest meaning and value in objects that
evoke the (natural; existential; human; social) time lived and experienced by the dead, with ND providing a hinge between them in depicting public (readers, historians, citizens, etc) and private (family, friends, heirs, etc) memories/memorials/sentimental
journeys. Ditto for JR to the extent that the book itself is a public/published memorial to its actual inspiration, Thoby Stephen, as well as to the "lost generation"--all those young lives who marched into WWI; JR's s creation involved analogous analytic
and selective practices, implicit in the invented "narrative mode which foregrounds the selection, artifice, and experience of the exhibited example". I agree that VW's depicted shoes and boots retain all the pathos of life lived in time, evoking all the life
and time the wearer trudged through as memento mori and so much more, no less than Van Gogh's boots do, even when she's highlighting the persistence of objects beyond death and human contemplation thereof, as in the comic contrast between Katharine's bored
custodianship and the American tourist's "dumb" contemplation. The pathos of Betty Flanders's gesture, Katharine's burden of ancestral fame, and the American pilgrim seems to me perfectly compatible with the material and cultural questions raised by public
"museology" (wonderful word!--never used it before).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Christine<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">On 7/31/2022 5:17 AM, Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-line-height-alt:.75pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">I recently read this article: NASH, John, "Exhibiting the Example: Virginia Woolf's Shoes", Twentieth_Century_Literature, 2013, LIX,2:283-308 “My focus
is on Night and Day, Jacob’s Room and the essays and reviews of literary
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">‘“What am I to do with these, Mr. Bonamy?”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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there could possibly be a hidden critique of ‘museology’. You may use JR as yet another example of Woolf’s fascination with shoes and boots, but it is absurd to gainsay the pathos of the last 2 lines of the novel. You don’t have to be persuaded by the pathos,
but what can be intended by Woolf except some form of pathos?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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