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<div dir="ltr">Jeremy & all Woolfian readers here -<div><br></div><div>Thank you for repeating these questions as they - very surprisingly & unexpectedly today - are drawing me back to one of my <i>most precious & dearest books ever (together with the final version of TW, of course) </i>- i.e. </div><div><i style="color:rgb(53,28,117)">The Waves: The Two Holograph Drafts</i><font color="#351c75">, Virginia Woolf, Transcribed & Edited by J.W. Graham, The Hogarth Press, 1976<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span></font><font color="#000000">(see pp. 28-31 for this entry). </font></div><div><br></div><div>1- Yes, of course, Virginia Woolf could type. She would "write in longhand in the morning and type it out later in the same day, or occasionally on the following morning" (p. 30).</div><div>See also Diary entries Nov. 2, 1929, Jan. 7, 1931. Multiple layers and drafts and corrections, revisions, handwriting, typing, rewriting, retyping, etc.</div><div>All major rewriting was by pen and ink - handwritten.</div><div>"<i>The typing is almost the hardest part of the work.</i>" (p. 30).</div><div><br></div><div>2- To add to the almost dizzying & teasing entries about Daisy/daisies, and as an albeit futile & microscopic gift of spring, whilst extending additional kudos & many thanks to Elisa Sparks for her entry on daisies amongst her </div><div>marvelous (and indispensable!) catalogue of flowers & gardens in V. Woolf's writing, please allow me to submit the attached 2 pics of true daisies, big and small. Also to add from the translation side:</div><div>one (1) word (daisy) in English for a rare 2 words in French (generally the converse is true):<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>pâquerettes</i><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span>&<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>marguerites</i><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span>are both used as part of the "oracular" saying:</div><div>"<font color="#0b5394">Je t'aime, un peu, beaucoup, passionnément, à la folie, pas du tout</font>".</div><div><br></div><div>Did Woolf know about the (French) saying - I ask? 😉😊🌞</div><div>Also isn't the larger "daisy" - ("marguerite" in French) at least sometimes the actual visual reference (in wreaths, for example, etc.)?</div><div><br></div><div>Happy Spring - in such times - no matter what - to you all.</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you</div><div><br></div><div>mc</div><div>NB: also sharing additional kudos & thank yous to Stuart for all his 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Before printing this e-mail message, ask yourself whether you really need a hard copy.</font></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 11:34 AM Marie Claire Boisset <<a href="mailto:mc@clarior.net">mc@clarior.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Jeremy & all Woolfian readers here -<div><br></div><div>Thank you for repeating these questions as they - very surprisingly & unexpectedly today - are drawing me back to one of my <i>most precious & dearest books ever (together with the final version of TW, of course) </i>- i.e. </div><div><i style="color:rgb(53,28,117);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">The Waves: The Two Holograph Drafts</i><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font color="#351c75">, Virginia Woolf, Transcribed & Edited by J.W. Graham, The Hogarth Press, 1976 </font><font color="#000000">(see pp. 28-31 for this entry). </font></span></div><div><br></div><div>1- Yes, of course, Virginia Woolf could type. She would "write in longhand in the morning and type it out later in the same day, or occasionally on the following morning" (p. 30).</div><div>See also Diary entries Nov. 2, 1929, Jan. 7, 1931. Multiple layers and drafts and corrections, revisions, handwriting, typing, rewriting, retyping, etc.</div><div>All major rewriting was by pen and ink - handwritten.</div><div>"<i>The typing is almost the hardest part of the work.</i>" (p. 30).</div><div><br></div><div>2- To add to the almost dizzying & teasing entries about Daisy/daisies, and as an albeit futile & microscopic gift of spring, whilst extending additional kudos & many thanks to Elisa Sparks for her entry on daisies amongst her </div><div>marvelous (and indispensable!) catalogue of flowers & gardens in V. Woolf's writing, please allow me to submit the attached 2 pics of true daisies, big and small. Also to add from the translation side:</div><div>one (1) word (daisy) in English for a rare 2 words in French (generally the converse is true): <i>pâquerettes</i> & <i>marguerites</i> are both used as part of the "oracular" saying:</div><div>"<font color="#0b5394">Je t'aime, un peu, beaucoup, passionnément, à la folie, pas du tout</font>".</div><div><br></div><div>Did Woolf know about the (French) saying - I ask? 😉😊🌞</div><div>Also isn't the larger "daisy" - ("marguerite" in French) at least sometimes the actual visual reference (in wreaths, for example, etc.)?</div><div><br></div><div>Happy Spring - in such times - no matter what - to you all.</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you</div><div><br></div><div>mc</div><div>NB: also sharing additional kudos & thank yous to Stuart for all his outstanding, precious and riveting transcription work.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br><div><table width="550" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" 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1. I asked a bit back whether Virginia could type, and the one response I had to this was that she probably could not. This is from Stella McNichol’s note on the text of Mr.s Dalloway in the 1992 Penguin edition. “Virginia Woolf’s
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<p class="MsoNormal">1. I asked a bit back whether Virginia could type, and the one response I had to this was that she probably could not. This is from Stella McNichol’s note on the text of Mr.s Dalloway in the 1992 Penguin edition. “Virginia Woolf’s method
of work was to write her novels by hand in notebooks, typing up each day’s composition more or less without revision on the same day or the following one. If she then felt that further revision than could be made on the typescript was necessary she returned
to the notebook and composed the passage afresh. The holograph drafts of Mrs. Dalloway show much revision of this kind.”<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2. Stuart suggests that Daisy Greville can be ignored, because her Daisy was a nickname. So was Steerforth’s name for David Copperfield. And this discussion has brought back to me that in my secondary school one of the masters was nicknamed
Daisy. He was clumsy, untidy, and not at all like the neat little flower – the nickname was ironic. Unless there is some information in the holograph drafts of the novel mentioned above, we have no way of knowing if Daisy in Mrs Dalloway is a given name or
a nickname. But it is striking (I think) that a character whose darkness is repeatedly insisted upon should be given the name of a white flower (as if to exaggerate her darkness, Peter Walsh’s photograph of her depicts “Daisy all in white, with a fox-terrier
on her knee; very charming, very dark”).<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Elisa Kay Sparks’s comments on daisies in Woolf’s work (<a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://woolfherbarium.blogspot.com/p/di.html__;!!KGKeukY!y_dzMcoZRXZR6wMW6IjlC0XCcXjZIkKWn-W1t9E2lAcXnRh6QzonGaVSIr5sNao2vfXR2gh7cz5I5VGC1Z7LSx5jqeiSllNSN8J2zd8$" target="_blank">https://woolfherbarium.blogspot.com/p/di.html</a>) are fascinating. She mentions “the oracular game played with the flower” – which if I recall aright involves pulling off the petals
one at a time and saying “(s)he loves me, (s)he loves me not” following each dismemberment. The uncertainty certainly matches Peter Walsh’s feelings about Daisy.<u></u><u></u></p>
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