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<div class=WordSection1><div><p class=MsoNormal>My mother also told me that I had to take a typing class in high school because then I would always have something to “fall back on.” </p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal>As I remember it, secretarial work was considered not just safe but respectable and even a little upwardly mobile. (Neither of my grandmothers could type.) There was a sense that being a secretary in an office was a safe, professional job that meant you didn’t have to do manual labor. </p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=DefaultFontHxMailStyle><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal>I don’t know if this is an American thing, but even though I had a typical middle-class upbringing, a fear of losing everything was threaded through it. Poverty and failure lurked in the shadows. My dad was an Okie, so that probably explains a lot.</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Danell<span class=DefaultFontHxMailStyle><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=DefaultFontHxMailStyle><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal>Sent from <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986__;!!KGKeukY!jqrSQRZMBTz2bdCXMuPWJXIGhp6tJVxJoyR_JIhgjNVCyRSwhKWDxCxfySg_mTEAEYA$">Mail</a> for Windows</p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=DefaultFontHxMailStyle><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p><div style='mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0in'><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:vwoolf@lists.osu.edu">Mary Ellen Foley via Vwoolf</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Saturday, April 16, 2022 12:41 PM<br><b>To: </b><a href="mailto:stuart.n.clarke@btinternet.com">Stuart N. Clarke</a><br><b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:vwoolf@lists.osu.edu">vwoolf@lists.osu.edu</a><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege"</p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=DefaultFontHxMailStyle><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=pfptpreheader1><span style='font-size:1.0pt;color:white'>Ah, yes. Something to fall back on. I was majoring in chemistry, with a place at Stanford for graduate school, and my mother, who was paying for books and living expenses (tuition was via scholarship), insisted that I take some classes in the </span></span><span style='font-size:1.0pt;color:white;display:none'>ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart</span> <o:p></o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%;border-radius:4px'><tr><td style='padding:2.25pt 0in 12.0pt 0in'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%;background:#CFD3D7;border:none;border-top:solid #8C8E91 3.0pt'><tr><td valign=top style='border:none;padding:0in 7.5pt 3.75pt 4.5pt'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 align=left><tr><td style='padding:3.0pt 6.0pt 3.0pt 6.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span class=pfpttitlemso1><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>This Message Is From an External Sender </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td style='padding:3.0pt 6.0pt 3.0pt 6.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span class=pfptsubtitlemso1><span style='font-size:9.0pt'>This message came from outside your organization. </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr></table><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 align=right><tr><td style='padding:3.0pt 0in 3.0pt 0in'><p class=MsoNormal> <a href="https://us-phishalarm-ewt.proofpoint.com/EWT/v1/KGKeukY!vYQd06kp6AmuxBn9X8RunQqHUEbl-RkoKf3FxDVFYeZwgRPTZlOjalu9o4aP8FTew3GHAG1gmcdHkoHQVrrcD1UQS6kcrPt0ADuFmZUJ_9D8njT07IiuK-vYzDeO9dg$" target="_blank"><strong><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;border:solid #666666 1.0pt;padding:6.0pt;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none'> Report Suspicious </span></strong></a> <o:p></o:p></p></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></td></tr></table><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-line-height-alt:.75pt'><span style='font-size:1.0pt;color:white;display:none'>ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd</span><span style='font-size:1.0pt;color:white;display:none'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Ah, yes. Something to fall back on. I was majoring in chemistry, with a place at Stanford for graduate school, and my mother, who was paying for books and living expenses (tuition was via scholarship), insisted that I take some classes in the education department because, and I do quote exactly here, "If a woman can't do anything else, she can always teach or be a secretary."<br><br>Bless her heart. What a lovely vote of confidence! At least that's how I took it at the time, though she might have meant "If a woman isn't permitted to do anything else..." And the education classes were utter DRECK -- I despair for Kentucky schools, I really do --<br><br>Then again, she might have had a point. I have an unfashionable regional accent, and a friend of mine who also moved to the Bay Area ended up working on a loading dock, because companies wouldn't hire her as a front-desk receptionist because of her accent. I am sure that, when I did go to get a job, I probably had a harder time of it than those who sounded like the announcers on TV.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>That was -*cough*- decades ago. I do hope things have changed...<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Mary Ellen<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 11:04 AM Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf <<a href="mailto:vwoolf@lists.osu.edu">vwoolf@lists.osu.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmail-m811120068170960703pfptpreheader><span style='font-size:1.0pt;color:white;display:none'>I know this isn’t really relevant to the listserv, but it will resonate with those of you who (like me) come from working-class backgrounds: <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!gH-UkaXScOEYmSgt3p90A7JoQTQcJ4dN6O9jRlCDe2ycgM-BLLdgP2srmOn2E73fqRA$" target="_blank">https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61107909</a> I saw a black woman on the TV the other day, </span></span><span style='font-size:1.0pt;color:white;display:none'>ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart</span> <o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #8C8E91 3.0pt;padding:6.0pt 0in 0in 0in;margin-top:12.0pt;margin-bottom:12.0pt;border-radius:4px;min-width:200px'><div style='margin-bottom:.75pt;display:inline-block'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:13.5pt;background:#CFD3D7'><b><span lang=EN style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>This Message Is From an External Sender <o:p></o:p></span></b></p></div><div style='margin-top:1.5pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:13.5pt;background:#CFD3D7'><span lang=EN style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>This message came from outside your organization. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div style='margin-left:12.0pt;width:fit-content;float:right'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right;background:#CFD3D7'><span lang=EN style='color:black'><a href="https://us-phishalarm-ewt.proofpoint.com/EWT/v1/KGKeukY!sGQdnYZBTacuxBeRP86E9ytrKK29SD1lBfSnj2jVIEkfe1VTgCvMGf8ELi80f2URD_mFqdu97wP3C-5Eqg9XCC1_uP24eg$" target="_blank"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black;text-decoration:none'><o:p></o:p></span></a></span></p><div style='border:solid #666666 1.0pt;padding:6.0pt 12.0pt 6.0pt 12.0pt;margin-left:12.0pt;margin-top:2.25pt;margin-bottom:2.25pt;display:inline-block;border-radius:2px;width:fit-content'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right;background:#CFD3D7'><span lang=EN style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><a href="https://us-phishalarm-ewt.proofpoint.com/EWT/v1/KGKeukY!sGQdnYZBTacuxBeRP86E9ytrKK29SD1lBfSnj2jVIEkfe1VTgCvMGf8ELi80f2URD_mFqdu97wP3C-5Eqg9XCC1_uP24eg$" target="_blank"><span style='color:black;text-decoration:none'>Report Suspicious </span></a></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right;background:#CFD3D7'><span lang=EN><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:0%;background:#CFD3D7'><span lang=EN style='color:black'> </span><span lang=EN><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-line-height-alt:.75pt'><span style='font-size:1.0pt;color:white;display:none'>ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I know this isn’t really relevant to the listserv, but it will resonate with those of you who (like me) come from working-class backgrounds:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>h<a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!jqPe0meTvr01hNVZznnvkz6Z06TNnQ2kd0H0ZG40o5HZ1vHKY6J7qH1mDiJtWqW9MV4$" target="_blank" title="ttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61107909">ttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61107909</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I saw a black woman on the TV the other day, who went to the careers’ advisor at school and said she wanted to go to university. “What about secretarial college?”<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Which reminds me of Sylvia Plath and her mother: go to secretarial college and you’ll have something to fall back on. From memory, in “The Bell Jar” she didn’t want to type interesting letters for some man, but write interesting letters herself.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I remember telling a Woolfian acquaintance that I had never wanted to work, never had any idea of what to do. She was surprised/shocked: “What about publishing?”<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I then fantasised about going back in time and telling my parents that I wanted to go into publishing, and their subsequent conversation in their bedroom:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>“Where’s Lord Muck got *this* idea from?”<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>“Well, he hasnae got it from me.”<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Stuart<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:4.8pt'>_______________________________________________<br>Vwoolf mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Vwoolf@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">Vwoolf@lists.osu.edu</a><br><a href="https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf" target="_blank">https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=DefaultFontHxMailStyle><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p></div></body></html>