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<DIV><FONT color=#000000>This is a very interesting question. I’m fairly
(not 100%) sure I’ve got the answer right.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000>It appears to have been the nickname of W. W. Asquith,
“<SPAN
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of the future Prime Minister (known because of his sarcastic tongue as
“</SPAN><STRONG>the Pup</STRONG><SPAN
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Frank came to like him)”. This I found using Google Books (bio. of Francis
Younghusband), but I can’t see any more online. Anyway, Thoby was in
Asquith’s (boarding) House at Clifton College.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>I haven’t quite grasped why a sarcastic tongue would result in someone
being called a ‘pup’. The closest I can spot in the OED is <FONT
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color=#333333><FONT style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal">A young man,</FONT><SPAN><FONT
style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal"> </FONT></SPAN><EM title=especially><FONT
style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal">esp.</FONT></EM><SPAN><FONT
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unpleasant.</FONT></FONT></FONT></H3>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=vwoolf@lists.osu.edu>Carol
Mesquita via Vwoolf</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 13, 2020 4:37 PM</DIV>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> [Vwoolf] A SKETCH OF THE PAST: the Pup</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_default
style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: verdana,sans-serif">Hope you are all safe
and well.</DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_default
style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: verdana,sans-serif">I am translating "A
Sketch of the Past" into Brazilian Portuguese and came across a term that seemed
obscure to me. The passage in which it appears is about Thoby:</DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: verdana,sans-serif"> </DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_default
style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: verdana,sans-serif">He held his own, he
put up with disagreeables; he was far more philosophic, because more in his
element than Adrian was. And he exacted his rights. The Pup had to apologise
when he put another boy over him as head of the house; he was not going to be
passed over. (Harcourt, 1985, p. 126.) </DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: verdana,sans-serif"> </DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_default
style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: verdana,sans-serif">I could not find what,
or who, "the Pup" is. If anybody could help, that would be great. I thank you in
advance!</DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: verdana,sans-serif"> </DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_default
style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: verdana,sans-serif">Best regards,</DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_default
style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: verdana,sans-serif">Ana Carolina
Mesquita</DIV>
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1<BR>Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2020 17:30:20 -0400<BR>From: "K L Levenback" <<A
target=_blank>kllevenback@att.net</A>><BR>To: "" <<A
target=_blank>vwoolf@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu</A>><BR>Subject: [Vwoolf]
Woolf sighting<BR>Message-ID: <<A
target=_blank>Mailbird-3203fb44-5107-4079-8c26-66ab49873510@att.net</A>><BR>Content-Type:
text/plain; charset="utf-8"<BR><BR>>From yet another sharp-eyed
friend:<BR><BR>I just saw this: "But the spirit of the characters seems most
apparent to me in her 2012 picture book, Virginia Wolf?illustrated by Isabelle
Arsenault?a storybook fantasia on the childhood relationship between Vanessa
Stephen and her sister Virginia, who would one day be known as Virginia Woolf.
It begins, not unlike Frog and Toad are Friends, with Virginia nestled in bed,
refusing to get out. Vanessa narrates, ?One day my sister Virginia woke up
feeling wolfish.?":<BR><A
href="https://slate.com/culture/2020/07/frog-and-toad-anniversary-arnold-lobel.html"
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[<A
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rel=noreferrer
target=_blank>https://slate.com/culture/2020/07/frog-and-toad-anniversary-arnold-lobel.html</A>]<BR>?<BR>Hope
you are having a happy 4th!<BR><BR>Seconding the above--<BR>Karen
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2<BR>Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 00:34:22 +0000<BR>From: Elisa Sparks <<A
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target=_blank>vwoolf@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</A>"<BR>
<<A target=_blank>vwoolf@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</A>><BR>Subject:
[Vwoolf] really obscure Elizabethan
reference<BR>Message-ID:<BR> <<A
target=_blank>MWHPR06MB332860B52270FA1939BE9704DD660@MWHPR06MB3328.namprd06.prod.outlook.com</A>><BR><BR>Content-Type:
text/plain; charset="windows-1252"<BR><BR>Dear all--<BR>I am researching ivy
in Virginia Woolf and have discovered a pattern of references to owls in the
ivy. I have not been able to find any literary origins for this
association which appears no les than six times in Woolf's writing.
Particularly curious is this allusion in her 1925 essay "Notes on an
Elizabethan
Play":<BR><BR>
and we scarcely recognise any likeness between the knight who imported timber
and died of pneumonia at Muswell Hill and the Armenian Duke who fell like a
Roman on his sword while the owl shrieked in the ivy and the Duchess gave
birth to a still-born babe ?mongst women howling (E4 67)<BR><BR><BR>Does
anyone have any idea what minor Elizabethan dramatist Woolf is citing
here? I am at an utter
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3<BR>Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 20:45:48 -0400<BR>From: coruscate818 <<A
target=_blank>coruscate818@gmail.com</A>><BR>To: Elisa Sparks <<A
target=_blank>sparks@clemson.edu</A>><BR>Cc: "<A
target=_blank>vwoolf@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</A>"<BR>
<<A target=_blank>vwoolf@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</A>><BR>Subject:
Re: [Vwoolf] really obscure Elizabethan
reference<BR>Message-ID:<BR>
<CANqcSJpf1eE+Vm1pC_VwKdbO=t=<A
target=_blank>mailto:4vQt3sAWiyt%2BGepXKOCJjCw@mail.gmail.com</A>><BR>Content-Type:
text/plain; charset="utf-8"<BR><BR>Some of it seems to fit John Webster's "The
Duchess of Malfi."<BR><BR>On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 8:34 PM Elisa Sparks via
Vwoolf <<A target=_blank>vwoolf@lists.osu.edu</A>><BR>wrote:<BR><BR>>
Dear all--<BR>> I am researching ivy in Virginia Woolf and have discovered
a pattern of<BR>> references to owls in the ivy. I have not been able
to find any literary<BR>> origins for this association which appears no les
than six times in Woolf's<BR>> writing. Particularly curious is this
allusion in her 1925 essay "Notes on<BR>> an Elizabethan
Play":<BR>><BR>>
and we scarcely recognise any likeness between the knight who<BR>> imported
timber and died of pneumonia at Muswell Hill and the Armenian Duke<BR>> who
fell like a Roman on his sword while the owl shrieked in the ivy and<BR>>
the Duchess gave birth to a still-born babe ?mongst women howling (E4
67)<BR>><BR>><BR>> Does anyone have any idea what minor Elizabethan
dramatist Woolf is citing<BR>> here? I am at an utter
loss.<BR>><BR>><BR>> Thanks,<BR>><BR>>
Elisa<BR>><BR>><BR>>
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4<BR>Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 20:51:39 -0400<BR>From: coruscate818 <<A
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<<A target=_blank>vwoolf@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</A>><BR>Subject:
Re: [Vwoolf] really obscure Elizabethan
reference<BR>Message-ID:<BR>
<CANqcSJrLpgpxKgnUivWJNosgSMiqLWDgzhFR2=<A
target=_blank>m4aLuEz63jVg@mail.gmail.com</A>><BR>Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="utf-8"<BR><BR>But I think Google Books<BR><<A
href="https://books.google.com/books?id=CF9SAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA382&lpg=PA382&dq=owl+in+the+ivy+elizabethan+play&source=bl&ots=apbWGROF36&sig=ACfU3U2EfEcNJFk7UiOP-t0Hbuj6nV1wkQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwififyX9bnqAhXxknIEHfIQAoEQ6AEwCXoECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=ivy&f=false"
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target=_blank>https://books.google.com/books?id=CF9SAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA382&lpg=PA382&dq=owl+in+the+ivy+elizabethan+play&source=bl&ots=apbWGROF36&sig=ACfU3U2EfEcNJFk7UiOP-t0Hbuj6nV1wkQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwififyX9bnqAhXxknIEHfIQAoEQ6AEwCXoECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=ivy&f=false</A>><BR>has
the answer: John Marston's Histriomastix or The Player Whipped.<BR><BR>On Mon,
Jul 6, 2020 at 8:45 PM coruscate818 <<A
target=_blank>coruscate818@gmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR><BR>> Some of it
seems to fit John Webster's "The Duchess of Malfi."<BR>><BR>> On Mon,
Jul 6, 2020 at 8:34 PM Elisa Sparks via Vwoolf <<BR>> <A
target=_blank>vwoolf@lists.osu.edu</A>> wrote:<BR>><BR>>> Dear
all--<BR>>> I am researching ivy in Virginia Woolf and have discovered a
pattern of<BR>>> references to owls in the ivy. I have not been
able to find any literary<BR>>> origins for this association which
appears no les than six times in Woolf's<BR>>> writing.
Particularly curious is this allusion in her 1925 essay "Notes on<BR>>>
an Elizabethan
Play":<BR>>><BR>>>
and we scarcely recognise any likeness between the knight<BR>>> who
imported timber and died of pneumonia at Muswell Hill and the
Armenian<BR>>> Duke who fell like a Roman on his sword while the owl
shrieked in the ivy<BR>>> and the Duchess gave birth to a still-born
babe ?mongst women howling (E4<BR>>>
67)<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> Does anyone have any idea what minor
Elizabethan dramatist Woolf is<BR>>> citing here? I am at an utter
loss.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> Thanks,<BR>>><BR>>>
Elisa<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
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<<A target=_blank>vwoolf@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</A>><BR>Subject:
Re: [Vwoolf] really obscure Elizabethan
reference<BR>Message-ID:<BR> <<A
target=_blank>CAM_67cFxiYzheqLxSq4aOnBmjJaE-XM3kGqHD0vAy1prHdyZzQ@mail.gmail.com</A>><BR>Content-Type:
text/plain; charset="utf-8"<BR><BR>>From a colleague:<BR><BR>So more
research is necessary, but I think that there were a few plays<BR>about the
Duke of Savoy that might contain the right references. They?re<BR>not
Elizabethan though; they?re Carolinian. I?ll see if I can find a text<BR>of
Davenant?s Love and Honor and Shirley?s The Grateful Servant. Pepys<BR>wrote
about both, I think, and Woolf would have read Pepys?<BR><BR>On Mon, Jul 6,
2020 at 8:34 PM Elisa Sparks via Vwoolf <<A
target=_blank>vwoolf@lists.osu.edu</A>><BR>wrote:<BR><BR>> Dear
all--<BR>> I am researching ivy in Virginia Woolf and have discovered a
pattern of<BR>> references to owls in the ivy. I have not been able
to find any literary<BR>> origins for this association which appears no les
than six times in Woolf's<BR>> writing. Particularly curious is this
allusion in her 1925 essay "Notes on<BR>> an Elizabethan
Play":<BR>><BR>>
and we scarcely recognise any likeness between the knight who<BR>> imported
timber and died of pneumonia at Muswell Hill and the Armenian Duke<BR>> who
fell like a Roman on his sword while the owl shrieked in the ivy and<BR>>
the Duchess gave birth to a still-born babe ?mongst women howling (E4
67)<BR>><BR>><BR>> Does anyone have any idea what minor Elizabethan
dramatist Woolf is citing<BR>> here? I am at an utter
loss.<BR>><BR>><BR>> Thanks,<BR>><BR>>
Elisa<BR>><BR>><BR>>
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