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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>I always find this quote helpful when discussing with students the difference between Stephens and Ramsays: VW to Shena, Lady Simon, 25 January 1941: “I don’t like being exposed as a novelist and told my people are my mother and father, when, being in a novel, they’re not.”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Vwoolf <vwoolf-bounces@lists.osu.edu> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mary Ellen Foley via Vwoolf<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 3, 2020 9:41 AM<br><b>To:</b> Victoria Rosner <vpr4@columbia.edu><br><b>Cc:</b> Woolf Listserv <vwoolf@lists.service.ohio-state.edu><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vwoolf] Rent or own?<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>I would take issue with there being little difference between leasing and owning except for legalities. <br><br>As least in the US, a house is not only a machine for living (thank you, Victoria Rosner) but also a machine for wealth creation. And the government itself had a huge part in excluding Black people from that method of attaining prosperity, loaning money, for example, to post-war developers of suburbs on condition that they not sell to Black people and that they put into the deeds that the owners of houses in these new tracts could not legally sell to Black people either. When you do the math(s), the current disparity in wealth between Black and white in America can be, for the most part, put down to the results of these policies -- truly tragic.<br><br>It never occurred to me that the Ramsays owned the house, presumably because I was aware of the Stephens' lease in St Ives, though the Ramsays were of course (thank you, Mark Hussey) fictional, and not the Stephens. Ahem.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Mary Ellen<br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 12:03 AM Victoria Rosner via Vwoolf <<a href="mailto:vwoolf@lists.osu.edu">vwoolf@lists.osu.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div id="gmail-m_5162382235987464947divtagdefaultwrapper"><p><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Dear fellow Woolfians,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>As long as we're on the topic of Woolf and real estate, I wanted to share with the list a flyer offering a 30% discount for my newly-released book <i>Machines for Living: Modernism and Domestic Life </i>(Oxford UP, 2020). The book discusses Woolf throughout and has an entire chapter on Woolf's numerous experiments in architecture and design carried out at Monks House. Woolfians might be interested to see Woolf's own sketches for renovation plans and builder blueprints for modifications to the house over a 20 year period.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>If the book passes muster with this learned group, I will be well content!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>all best,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Victoria<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id="gmail-m_5162382235987464947Signature"><div id="gmail-m_5162382235987464947divtagdefaultwrapper"><p><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>Victoria Rosner</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>Dean of Academic Affairs, Columbia University School of General Studies</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>Adj. Associate Professor of English and Comparative Literature, Columbia University</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>Co-editor, </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><a href="https://cup.columbia.edu/series/gender-and-culture-series" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:9.0pt'>Gender and Culture</span></a></span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>, Columbia University Press series</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><u><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>Machines for Living: Modernism and Domestic Life</span></u><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>, Oxford University Press, 2020</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><a href="https://global.oup.com/academic/product/machines-for-living-9780198845195?cc=us&lang=en&" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=121 height=180 style='width:1.2583in;height:1.875in' id="_x0000_i1031" src="https://global.oup.com/academic/covers/pop-up/9780198845195"></span></a><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'><a href="https://bookshop.org/books/machines-for-living-modernism-and-domestic-life/9780198845195" target="_blank">https://bookshop.org/books/machines-for-living-modernism-and-domestic-life/9780198845195</a></span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="98%" align=center></div><div id="gmail-m_5162382235987464947divRplyFwdMsg"><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='color:black'> Vwoolf <vwoolf-bounces+vpr4=<a href="mailto:columbia.edu@listsosu.edu" target="_blank">columbia.edu@lists.osu.edu</a>> on behalf of Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf <<a href="mailto:vwoolf@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">vwoolf@lists.osu.edu</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 2, 2020 5:20:35 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Woolf Listserv'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vwoolf] Rent or own?</span> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>First of all, can anywhere be more obsessed with buying property than the UK? (In a more familial way, Greece is unpretentiously enthusiastic.) But this is a phenomenon that only started between the wars (esp in the 1930s), and really took off after the war.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Of course, we obsessives, when it is pointed out that European countries have large numbers of people renting, say: “Well, *someone* must own the properties”. (Why not us?)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>But even the well-to-do often rented rather than bought. At the end of 1924, the Hutchinsons had given up River House in Hammersmith ‘(in the manner of the period it was rented) in favour of a larger residence in Albert Road, Regent’s Park’.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Mortgages – and there were mortgages – were not readily available for buying property. You are more likely (in Trollope, say) to have bought a property, and now you have mortgaged it up to the hilt, owing to your gambling or poor returns on land (agricultural depression, as in “The Importance of Being Ernest”).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>What is the difference between renting a property and taking out a lease on a property? Really, it’s just the legal implications of each – which differ as the years go on, and the govt deals with the tussle between landlords and tenants, one govt favouring one and another the other. I think that someone with a lease might easily have said that “the rent was precisely twopence half-penny” (i.e. a peppercord rent), even tho’ they actually have a lease.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>In England and Wales, Land Law was radically overhauled in 1925. VW wrote: ‘I’m so glad about Gavelkind’ (L3 554) - ‘A law of inheritance, peculiar to Kent, which divided an intestate’s property among all his sons’ (L3 554 n. 2). Out went gavelkind, scot and lot, and lots of other obscure ways of “holding” land. We now have only freehold and leasehold. I have a leasehold of 999 years, which feels like freehold – ah, but you can’t have freehold of a flat because it doesn’t rest upon the ground. For Land Law is about Land.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I expect you’re no further forward, but I just had to “share”.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Stuart<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> Mark Hussey via Vwoolf <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> Thursday, July 2, 2020 9:02 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> 'Woolf Listserv' <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> Re: [Vwoolf] Rent or own?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'>But the Ramsays are fictional characters, so I’d stick with renting the house in the Hebrides…</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;border-right-color:initial;border-bottom-color:initial;border-left-color:initial'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> Vwoolf <<a href="mailto:vwoolf-bounces@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">vwoolf-bounces@lists.osu.edu</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Neverow, Vara S. via Vwoolf<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 2, 2020 2:22 PM<br><b>To:</b> Woolf Listserv <<a href="mailto:vwoolf@lists.service.ohio-state.edu" target="_blank">vwoolf@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a>>; Michael Schrimper <<a href="mailto:Michael.Schrimper@colorado.edu" target="_blank">Michael.Schrimper@colorado.edu</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vwoolf] Rent or own?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'>The Stephen family had a lease...<a href="https://www.smith.edu/libraries/libs/rarebook/exhibitions/stephen/37chtm" target="_blank">https://www.smith.edu/libraries/libs/rarebook/exhibitions/stephen/37c.htm</a></span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-top:12.0pt;margin-bottom:12.0pt;min-width:424px' id="gmail-m_5162382235987464947LPBorder_GTaHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuc21pdGguZWR1L2xpYnJhcmllcy9saWJzL3JhcmVib29rL2V4aGliaXRpb25zL3N0ZXBoZW4vMzdjLmh0bQ.."><table class=MsoNormalTable border=1 cellspacing=3 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%;border:solid #C8C8C8 1.0pt'><tr><td valign=top style='border:none;padding:9.0pt 27.0pt 9.0pt 9.0pt'><div style='margin-right:9.0pt;overflow:hidden' id="gmail-m_5162382235987464947LPImageContainer875664"><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a href="https://www.smith.edu/libraries/libs/rarebook/exhibitions/stephen/37c.htm" target="_blank"><span style='text-decoration:none'><img border=0 height=160 style='height:1.6666in' id="_x0000_i1030" src="https://www.smith.edu/libraries/libs/rarebook/exhibitions/images/stephen/small37c.jpg1zB"></span></a><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></td><td width="100%" valign=top style='width:100.0%;border:none;padding:9.0pt 27.0pt 9.0pt 9.0pt;border-color:initial'><div style='margin-right:6.0pt;margin-bottom:9.0pt' id="gmail-m_5162382235987464947LPTitle875664"><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Light",sans-serif;color:black'><a href="https://www.smith.edu/libraries/libs/rarebook/exhibitions/stephen/37c.htm" target="_blank"><span style='text-decoration:none'>Talland House, plate 37c | Smith College Libraries</span></a></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-right:6.0pt;margin-bottom:9.0pt;max-height:100px;overflow:hidden' id="gmail-m_5162382235987464947LPDescription875664"><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:#666666'>Talland House, c.1882-1894 Anonymous. 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This is the front view of Talland House at St. Ives in Cornwall, England, where the Stephen family spent their summers.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="gmail-m_5162382235987464947LPMetadata875664"><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:#A6A6A6'><a href="http://www.smithedu" target="_blank">www.smith.edu</a></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></td></tr></table></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'>Cheers,</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'>Vara</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="gmail-m_5162382235987464947Signature"><div><div name=divtagdefaultwrapper><div name=divtagdefaultwrapper><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'>Vara Neverow<br>Department of English<br>Southern Connecticut State University<br>New Haven, CT 06515<br>203-392-6717<br><a href="mailto:neverowv1@southernct.edu">neverowv1@southernct.edu</a></span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><hr size=2 width="98%" align=center></span></div><div id="gmail-m_5162382235987464947divRplyFwdMsg"><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> Vwoolf <<a href="mailto:vwoolf-bounces+neverowv1=southernctedu@lists.osu.edu">vwoolf-bounces+neverowv1=southernctedu@lists.osu.edu</a>> on behalf of Michael Schrimper via Vwoolf <<a href="mailto:vwoolf@lists.osu.edu">vwoolf@lists.osu.edu</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 2, 2020 2:13 PM<br><b>To:</b> Woolf Listserv <<a href="mailto:vwoolf@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">vwoolf@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> [Vwoolf] Rent or own? <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=gmail-m5162382235987464947xmsonormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'>Do we know if the Ramsays were renting the house in the Hebrides, or if they owne</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'>d it? </span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I had always assumed their ownership of the place, for a number of reasons. Yet t</span><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'>he text says “Never mind, the rent was precisely twopence half-penny; the children loved it; it did her husband good to be three thousand, or if she must be accurate, three hundred miles from his libraries and his lectures and his disciples” (29)…so they were renting the property? </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=gmail-m5162382235987464947xmsonormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'>I'm not finding any evidence that "rent" is another word for, say, mortgage payment....</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=gmail-m5162382235987464947xmsonormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'>Edition I’m using: Harcourt 1990.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=gmail-m5162382235987464947xmsonormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Michael R. Schrimper <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Ph.D. Student, Department of English<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>University of Colorado Boulder<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Traditional Territories of the Cheyenne, Arapaho and Ute Nations<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><a href="https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.colorado.edu%2Fenglish%2Fmichael-schrimper&data=02%7C01%7Cneverowv1%40southernct.edu%7C25252351e017464c448008d81eb39c0b%7C58736863d60e40ce95c60723c7eaaf67%7C0%7C1%7C637293104057153644&sdata=dK9Wm0BAfsAaP0wE39kK5TpBsIdEHVx%2FB2rxDyVkF9I%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">https://www.colorado.edu/english/michael-schrimper</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>_______________________________________________<br>Vwoolf mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Vwoolf@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">Vwoolf@lists.osu.edu</a><br><a href="https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf" target="_blank">https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>Vwoolf mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Vwoolf@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">Vwoolf@lists.osu.edu</a><br><a href="https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf" target="_blank">https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></body></html>