<div dir="ltr">I would take issue with there being little difference between leasing and owning except for legalities. <br><br>As least in the US, a house is not only a machine for living (thank you, Victoria Rosner) but also a machine for wealth creation. And the government itself had a huge part in excluding Black people from that method of attaining prosperity, loaning money, for example, to post-war developers of suburbs on condition that they not sell to Black people and that they put into the deeds that the owners of houses in these new tracts could not legally sell to Black people either. When you do the math(s), the current disparity in wealth between Black and white in America can be, for the most part, put down to the results of these policies -- truly tragic.<br><br>It never occurred to me that the Ramsays owned the house, presumably because I was aware of the Stephens' lease in St Ives, though the Ramsays were of course (thank you, Mark Hussey) fictional, and not the Stephens. Ahem.<div><br></div><div>Mary Ellen<br><br><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 12:03 AM Victoria Rosner via Vwoolf <<a href="mailto:vwoolf@lists.osu.edu">vwoolf@lists.osu.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>As long as we're on the topic of Woolf and real estate, I wanted to share with the list a flyer offering a 30% discount for my newly-released book
<i>Machines for Living: Modernism and Domestic Life </i>(Oxford UP, 2020). The book discusses Woolf throughout and has an entire chapter on Woolf's numerous experiments in architecture and design carried out at Monks House. Woolfians might be interested to
see Woolf's own sketches for renovation plans and builder blueprints for modifications to the house over a 20 year period.</p>
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<p>If the book passes muster with this learned group, I will be well content!</p>
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<div>First of all, can anywhere be more obsessed with buying property than the UK? (In a more familial way, Greece is unpretentiously enthusiastic.) But this is a phenomenon that only started between the wars (esp. in the 1930s), and really took off after
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<div>Of course, we obsessives, when it is pointed out that European countries have large numbers of people renting, say: “Well, *someone* must own the properties”. (Why not us?)</div>
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<div>But even the well-to-do often rented rather than bought. At the end of 1924, t<span>he Hutchinsons had given
up River House in Hammersmith ‘(in the manner of the period it was rented) in favour of a larger residence in Albert Road, Regent’s Park’.</span></div>
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<div><span>Mortgages – and there were mortgages – were not readily available for buying property. You are more
likely (in Trollope, say) to have bought a property, and now you have mortgaged it up to the hilt, owing to your gambling or poor returns on land (agricultural depression, as in “The Importance of Being Ernest”).</span></div>
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<div><span>What is the difference between renting a property and taking out a lease on a property? Really, it’s
just the legal implications of each – which differ as the years go on, and the govt deals with the tussle between landlords and tenants, one govt favouring one and another the other. I think that someone with a lease might easily have said that “the rent
was precisely twopence half-penny” (i.e. a peppercord rent), even tho’ they actually have a lease.</span></div>
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<div><span>In England and Wales, Land Law was radically overhauled in 1925. VW wrote:
</span>‘I’m so glad about Gavelkind’ (L3 554) - ‘A law of inheritance, peculiar to Kent, which divided an intestate’s property among all his sons’ (L3 554 n. 2). Out went gavelkind, scot and lot, and lots of other obscure ways of “holding” land. We now have
only freehold and leasehold. I have a leasehold of 999 years, which feels like freehold – ah, but you can’t have freehold of a flat because it doesn’t rest upon the ground. For Land Law is about Land.</div>
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<div>I expect you’re no further forward, but I just had to “share”.</div>
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<p class="gmail-m_5162382235987464947xmsonormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt;line-height:18pt"><span style="font-size:16pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Do we know if the Ramsays were renting the house in the Hebrides, or if they owne</span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">d
it? </span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">I had always assumed their ownership of the place, for a number of reasons. Yet t</span><span style="font-size:16pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">he text says “<span style="color:black">Never
mind, the rent was precisely twopence half-penny; the children loved it; it did her husband good to be three thousand, or if she must be accurate, three hundred miles from his libraries and his lectures and his disciples” (29)…so they were renting the property?
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<p class="gmail-m_5162382235987464947xmsonormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt;line-height:18pt"><span style="font-size:16pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black">I'm not finding any evidence that "rent" is another word for, say, mortgage payment....</span><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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