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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Surely you mean, it’s the US that hasn’t ‘moved on’, or has British style now adopted the American double quotation mark?   I used to think I was fluent in both English and American, but not any more (which my computer is insisting I wrote “anymore”). Two people divided by a common language… <span style='font-family:Wingdings'>J</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Vwoolf [mailto:vwoolf-bounces@lists.osu.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 01, 2019 3:47 AM<br><b>To:</b> vwoolf@lists.osu.edu<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vwoolf] Mrs. vs Mrs<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I would say that the old full-stops were (rigidly) standard across the English-speaking world, inc. Australia.  They started to disappear in the 1960s and 1970s.  Remember M.A. and Ph.D.? (That leaves LLB feeling a little uncomfortable.)  You could say that it’s the US that hasn’t “moved on”, or not as fast.  Even the French, I think, still like a comma in the address: 27, rue Barbe.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Stuart<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> Sarah M. Hall via Vwoolf <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> Friday, March 1, 2019 8:33 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> Anne Fernald ; Mark Hussey ; Caroline Webb <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Cc:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> Woolf Listserv <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> Re: [Vwoolf] Mrs. vs Mrs<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>Similar point to Caroline's: in terms of grammar, the current British standard is to drop the full point for contractions where the final letter is present, e.g. Mrs, Dr, St, Revd, and retain it for abbreviations, e.g. Prof., Capt., Rev. For initialisms the full points are nearly always dropped, e.g. UK, US, EU (sniff), BSc, PhD, BBC, FBI.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>But with titles/places/proper names, as for quotations, you would reproduce the original exactly; so the 1925 edition would be Mrs. Dalloway and, strictly speaking, Monks House would be without the apostrophe, as this was on the gate. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="ydp4e0959e6yahoo_quoted_1799544668"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>On Friday, 1 March 2019, 01:53:28 GMT, Caroline Webb via Vwoolf <vwoolf@lists.osu.edu> wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div id=ydp4e0959e6yiv8184520544><div><div><p class=ydp4e0959e6yiv8184520544msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>It’s an interesting point (so to speak).  One of the many things I had to learn when I went to the US in the early 1980s was to add a full stop/period after abbreviations of this type; by the late twentieth century British (and Commonwealth) English had stabilised on using this only where the last letter of the abbreviation was not the same as the last letter of the full word if spelled out (so no full stop after “Mrs,” originally an abbreviation of “Mistress”).  <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp4e0959e6yiv8184520544msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp4e0959e6yiv8184520544msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>Presumably this style marker was not rigid in the 1920s—or Woolf and her press favoured the US approach.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp4e0959e6yiv8184520544msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp4e0959e6yiv8184520544msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>Caroline<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp4e0959e6yiv8184520544msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=ydp4e0959e6yiv8184520544yqt57160><p class=ydp4e0959e6yiv8184520544msonormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> Vwoolf <vwoolf-bounces+caroline.webb=newcastle.edu.au@lists.osu.edu> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Anne Fernald via Vwoolf<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, 1 March 2019 12:43 PM<br><b>To:</b> Mark Hussey <mhussey@verizon.net><br><b>Cc:</b> Woolf Listserv <vwoolf@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vwoolf] Mrs. vs Mrs<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp4e0959e6yiv8184520544msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=ydp4e0959e6yiv8184520544msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>That's right, Mark,<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=ydp4e0959e6yiv8184520544msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydp4e0959e6yiv8184520544msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>Since the first UK edition used the period, I reinstated it for CUP even though subsequent English editions dropped it. (It's always been part of the US editions.)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydp4e0959e6yiv8184520544msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydp4e0959e6yiv8184520544msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>A<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=ydp4e0959e6yiv8184520544msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=ydp4e0959e6yiv8184520544msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 7:48 PM Mark Hussey via Vwoolf <vwoolf@lists.osu.edu> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=ydp4e0959e6yiv8184520544msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>The period is there in the first UK and US editions (according to Kirkpatrick and Clarke), but it seems often to be omitted on the dustjacket copy of various editions (e.g. the Shakespeare Head).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp4e0959e6yiv8184520544msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp4e0959e6yiv8184520544msonormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> Vwoolf [mailto:vwoolf-bounces+mhussey=verizon.net@lists.osu.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Catherine Hollis via Vwoolf<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 28, 2019 6:56 PM<br><b>To:</b> vwoolf listserve<br><b>Subject:</b> [Vwoolf] Mrs. vs Mrs<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp4e0959e6yiv8184520544msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=ydp4e0959e6yiv8184520544msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>Dear Woolfians,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydp4e0959e6yiv8184520544msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydp4e0959e6yiv8184520544msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>There must have been discussion of this at some point that I am missing. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydp4e0959e6yiv8184520544msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydp4e0959e6yiv8184520544msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>Is it Mrs. Dalloway (with the period) or Mrs Dalloway (without)? The Cambridge edition uses "Mrs." and the Hogarth Press edition uses "Mrs" -- is one preferred over the other?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydp4e0959e6yiv8184520544msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydp4e0959e6yiv8184520544msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>Thanks for any help,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydp4e0959e6yiv8184520544msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydp4e0959e6yiv8184520544msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>Catherine<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydp4e0959e6yiv8184520544msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'><br>-- <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=ydp4e0959e6yiv8184520544msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>Catherine W. Hollis, PhD<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=ydp4e0959e6yiv8184520544msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>Instructor, Fall Program for Freshmen<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=ydp4e0959e6yiv8184520544msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>U.C. Berkeley<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=ydp4e0959e6yiv8184520544msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>Berkeley, CA 94720<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=ydp4e0959e6yiv8184520544msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>hollisc@berkeley.edu<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=ydp4e0959e6yiv8184520544msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>_______________________________________________<br>Vwoolf mailing list<br>Vwoolf@lists.osu.edu<br><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.osu.edu_mailman_listinfo_vwoolf&d=DwICAg&c=aqMfXOEvEJQh2iQMCb7Wy8l0sPnURkcqADc2guUW8IM&r=k1OoytuRmrU4MiIwbI-7ElFohPGR5Vr0JxDyMjG9DsI&m=ly1omxGshrNE9S2LKcGgDzLFDt5R6LWt5uNnpVZFsWQ&s=wR1lg6F46ys-d6Kyi9R4ISicjSI03ef-o_agD7hs_Qk&e=" target="_blank">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.osu.edu_mailman_listinfo_vwoolf&d=DwICAg&c=aqMfXOEvEJQh2iQMCb7Wy8l0sPnURkcqADc2guUW8IM&r=k1OoytuRmrU4MiIwbI-7ElFohPGR5Vr0JxDyMjG9DsI&m=ly1omxGshrNE9S2LKcGgDzLFDt5R6LWt5uNnpVZFsWQ&s=wR1lg6F46ys-d6Kyi9R4ISicjSI03ef-o_agD7hs_Qk&e=</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div><p class=ydp4e0959e6yiv8184520544msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=ydp4e0959e6yiv8184520544msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=ydp4e0959e6yiv8184520544msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'>-- <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div id=ydp4e0959e6yiv8184520544yqt37567><div><p class=ydp4e0959e6yiv8184520544msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#26282A'><a href="http://www.fordham.edu/info/24101/anne_fernald" target="_blank">Anne E. Fernald</a> (she/her)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=ydp4e0959e6yiv8184520544msonormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvet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