<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Thanks, you two!<br class=""><div>Maybe I should just take credit for the thought/sentiment myself…. JJ Wilson<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 27, 2018, at 1:26 AM, Margaret Tudeau via Vwoolf <<a href="mailto:vwoolf@lists.osu.edu" class="">vwoolf@lists.osu.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Ditto.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Margaret<br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 27 Jun 2018, at 09:52, Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf <<a href="mailto:vwoolf@lists.osu.edu" class="">vwoolf@lists.osu.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<div class="">I don’t think this is by Virginia Woolf.</div>
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<div style="font-color: black" class=""><b class="">From:</b> <a title="vwoolf@lists.osu.edu" class="">JJ
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<div class=""><b class="">Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 26, 2018 11:11 PM</div>
<div class=""><b class="">To:</b> <a title="smhall123@yahoo.co.uk" class="">Sarah M. Hall</a> </div>
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<div class=""><b class="">Subject:</b> Re: [Vwoolf] Misquotations and
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thread gives me an opening to ask if any of you scholars sans pareil can answer
me this query: for years I have been, when appropriate and it all too
often is, quoting Virginia Woolf as saying that”the only true tragedy is
premature death” . The other day someone called me on it, asking me where
this telling and comforting quote appears in Woolf. Darned if I could come
up with an answer….
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<div class="">Is it hers? and if so, where is it? And there will be a prize
for the first person to clue in</div>
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<div class="">On Jun 26, 2018, at 4:34 AM, Sarah M. Hall via Vwoolf
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<div class="">Another common Bloomsbury-related example is that they '<span class="">lived in
squares, painted in circles and loved in triangles', most often attributed to
Dorothy Parker. Those who read their Virginia Woolf Bulletin assiduously will
know better (No. 57, Jan 2018). Stuart N. Clarke, researching a tip from Vara
Neverow, discovered a novel by the largely unsung Margaret Irwin called Fire
Down Below (now there's a title to conjure with), in which a character
describes 'Gloomsbury' with the line:</span></div>
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couples are triangles.'</span></div>
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<div class="">Although I've given away the punchline, the article is a lovely read. The
journey is as interesting as the destination (with apologies to Montaigne, and
L Woolf).</div>
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<div class=""><div class="">There are various web pages that list misattributed, misunderstood, or just
plain false quotations. But they are generally popular, and not open to
submissions or reliably monitored. What is needed is something of the reach
and reliability of Snopes, a place where false quotations can be reported.</div><div class="">And rather than a soundbite, a virus would perhaps be a more appropriate
analogy, as such falsities spread, as the saying has it, like the plague. My
own recent encounter with a similar fake quotation came in connection with
writing an introduction to a reissue of Ernest Bramah's <i class="">What Might Have
Been</i> (1907, reissued in 1909 as <i class="">The Secret of the League</i>). Every
bookseller advertising a copy of this book seems to have to include the claim
that George Orwell acknowledged the book as a source or inspiration for
<i class="">1984</i>. Even Bramah's biographer Aubrey Wilson, repeats the claim,
asserting that "in his letters" Orwell made this acknowledgement. None of
these claims is backed up by evidence from the letters or elsewhere, although
there is evidence that Orwell was familiar with a number of Bramah's books.
For those interested, the next number of <i class="">Notes and Queries</i> will have a
short piece by me questioning the claim.</div><div class="">All this confirms that when we impress upon students the need to check
sources and to provide full references, we are doing something important.</div><div class="">Jeremy<br clear="none" class=""></div><br clear="none" class="">
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<div class="ydp603e23eyiv0164709105moz-cite-prefix">On 26.06.2018 09:44, Sarah
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<div style="FONT-SIZE: 13px" class="">This is the most common Woolf misquotation, it
seems. Googling just now gave <span class=""></span>51,600 results for the fake and
5,190 for the real one. It looks as though truth is a casualty not just of
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<div class=""><font size="1" class="">*Which itself is a contested quotation; see <a class="ydp603e23eyiv0164709105" href="https://www.theguardian.com/notesandqueries/query/0,5753,-21510,00.html" shape="rect" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.theguardian.com/notesandqueries/query/0,5753,-21510,00.html</a>.
Some think the original of this is Samuel Johnson's '<span class="">Among the
calamities of war may be jointly numbered the diminution of the love of truth,
by the falsehoods which interest dictates and credulity encourages.' But you
may prefer to believe that Aeschylus had already come up with a snappier
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