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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Or maybe Bill Goldstein just liked using it and no one minded as everyone knew exactly what he meant. (But I admit I have not read the book so cannot tell what its voice might be…) <span style='font-family:Wingdings'>J</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Brenda S. Helt [mailto:helt0010@umn.edu] <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, November 04, 2017 4:10 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Anne Margaret Daniel'<br><b>Cc:</b> 'Mary Ellen Foley'; 'vwoolf'; 'Mark Hussey'<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Vwoolf] Pllural of "Woolf"?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>There is no question that the contemporaries of the Bloomsberries (and even the Woolfs themselves) called the Woolfs “the Wolves” in letters etc. The question is why an academic author today would call them that in referring to them as a couple in his own words, not in quoted material. My point is that I doubt Bill Goldstein made that mistake; rather, it was a copy-editor who thinks he knows better than the author and changed it and/or used autocorrect, and then it was published without being sent back through the author. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I meant the below as a joke, and now, as with every joke I make, it has gone south and has had to be explained . . .<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Brenda<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Brenda Helt<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Co-editor <i>Queer Bloomsbury</i><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt'><a href="https://edinburghuniversitypress.com/book-queer-bloomsbury.html">https://edinburghuniversitypress.com/book-queer-bloomsbury.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Anne Margaret Daniel [<a href="mailto:daniela@newschool.edu">mailto:daniela@newschool.edu</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, November 04, 2017 12:54 PM<br><b>To:</b> Brenda S. Helt<br><b>Cc:</b> Mary Ellen Foley; vwoolf; Mark Hussey<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vwoolf] Pllural of "Woolf"?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>John Middleton Murry called them "the Woolves" as a collective, as did Frances Marshall Partridge. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 3:47 PM, Brenda S. Helt <<a href="mailto:helt0010@umn.edu" target="_blank">helt0010@umn.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Most likely the author delivered a flawless ms to the editor, who handed it off to a “copy-editor,” who put it through an editing program that uses autocorrect, which of course changed “Woolfs” to “Woolves,” and then it was published and everybody was paid a few pennies except the author, who made nothing. Just my guess.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB>S</span><span lang=EN>làinte!</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB>Brenda</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>Brenda Helt</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Co-editor <i>Queer Bloomsbury</i></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt'><a href="https://edinburghuniversitypress.com/book-queer-bloomsbury.html" target="_blank">https://edinburghuniversitypress.com/book-queer-bloomsbury.html</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Vwoolf [mailto:<a href="mailto:vwoolf-bounces%2Bhelt0010" target="_blank">vwoolf-bounces+helt0010</a>=<a href="mailto:umn.edu@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">umn.edu@lists.osu.edu</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mary Ellen Foley<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, November 04, 2017 12:40 PM<br><b>To:</b> Mark Hussey<br><b>Cc:</b> vwoolf<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vwoolf] Pllural of "Woolf"?</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>From a little quick Googling, it looks like the US edition, at least, is from Bloomsbury (appropriately enough). Their style guide says to follow the Chicago Manual of Style in such matters; CMOS online says that plurals of proper names take <i>-s </i>or <i>-es </i>in the normal fashion and that exceptions are generally to be found in the M-W dictionary. Said dictionary online doesn't list poor Leonard at all, much less both of them, but does list VW, with no indication that the plural of her surname is nonstandard.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>So I'd say somebody should have caught it!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>(If we're dealing with the UK edition, the they should have followed New Hart's, and while I'm virtually certain that my beloved old DTB edition specifies the same plural, I am one land mass and two seas away from it at the moment. And I couldn't find the info in their online version before I lost patience with searching.)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Having said that, I know authors who have published books with noted academic presses, who have been given *no* editorial support at all. They were required to arrange for all of the editing themselves, and to pay for it. With publishers pushing these expenses off on the authors, it's no surprise that mistakes occur; makes you wonder why they have style guides at all, if nobody bothers to ensure quality.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Mary Ellen<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 11:43 PM, Mark Hussey <<a href="mailto:mhussey@verizon.net" target="_blank">mhussey@verizon.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I think it was quite common in Bloomsbury. Clive Bell, for example, often notes "Woolves to tea" for example. Whether it belongs in a scholarly work is, or could be, I suppose, another issue...<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Vwoolf [mailto:<a href="mailto:vwoolf-bounces%2Bmhussey" target="_blank">vwoolf-bounces+mhussey</a>=<a href="mailto:verizon.net@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">verizon.net@lists.osu.edu</a>] On Behalf Of Jean Mallinson<br>Sent: Friday, November 03, 2017 7:21 PM<br>To: <a href="mailto:Vwoolf@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">Vwoolf@lists.osu.edu</a><br>Subject: [Vwoolf] Pllural of "Woolf"?<br><br>Reading Bill Goldstein's The Wold Broke in Two, his recent book about Virginia Woolf, T.S. Eliot, D.H. Lawrence and E.M Forster and the "Year that changed Literature, I find my interest engaged by new or forgotten information and fresh insights into the writing lives of these loved and familiar figures but I am disturbed by a small detail: he uses "Woolves", not "Woolfs", as the plural of "Woolf" -- not in jest but seriously. Am I right in wincing every time I read this? How could an attentive editor not have noticed and corrected this?<br><br>Jean M.<br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Vwoolf mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Vwoolf@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">Vwoolf@lists.osu.edu</a><br><a href="https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf" target="_blank">https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf</a><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Vwoolf mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Vwoolf@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">Vwoolf@lists.osu.edu</a><br><a href="https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf" target="_blank">https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Vwoolf mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Vwoolf@lists.osu.edu">Vwoolf@lists.osu.edu</a><br><a href="https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf" target="_blank">https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><i>This message is intended solely for the named recipient(s).</i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Best,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>AMDaniel<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.annemargaretdaniel.com" target="_blank">www.annemargaretdaniel.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>