<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><head><meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"><meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 14 (filtered medium)"><!--[if !mso]><style>v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
.shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
</style><![endif]--><style><!--
/* Font Definitions */
@font-face
{font-family:Calibri;
panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:Tahoma;
panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:Times;
panose-1:2 2 6 3 5 4 5 2 3 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:"Segoe UI Light";
panose-1:2 11 5 2 4 2 4 2 2 3;}
@font-face
{font-family:"Segoe UI";
panose-1:2 11 5 2 4 2 4 2 2 3;}
/* Style Definitions */
p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
{margin:0in;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";}
a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
{mso-style-priority:99;
color:blue;
text-decoration:underline;}
a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed
{mso-style-priority:99;
color:purple;
text-decoration:underline;}
p
{mso-style-priority:99;
margin:0in;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";}
p.MsoAcetate, li.MsoAcetate, div.MsoAcetate
{mso-style-priority:99;
mso-style-link:"Balloon Text Char";
margin:0in;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
font-size:8.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";}
span.EmailStyle18
{mso-style-type:personal-reply;
font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
color:windowtext;
font-weight:normal;
font-style:normal;}
span.BalloonTextChar
{mso-style-name:"Balloon Text Char";
mso-style-priority:99;
mso-style-link:"Balloon Text";
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";}
.MsoChpDefault
{mso-style-type:export-only;
font-size:10.0pt;}
@page WordSection1
{size:8.5in 11.0in;
margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}
div.WordSection1
{page:WordSection1;}
--></style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapedefaults v:ext="edit" spidmax="1026" />
</xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapelayout v:ext="edit">
<o:idmap v:ext="edit" data="1" />
</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN>I agree with Vara, but with what I imagine she might be thinking, not carefully saying here. I printed it out so I could grab it by the hair and fling it about the room. But don’t </span>we today have the Harcourt editions of Woolf’s work because of the many “misleading in spots,” “puzzling,” “evasive,” and just plain wrong bits of info in Francine Prose’s <i>The Mrs. Dalloway Reader</i>? <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The photographs are phenomenal, at least.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Brenda Helt<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Co-editor <i>Queer Bloomsbury</i><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt'><a href="https://edinburghuniversitypress.com/book-queer-bloomsbury-13031.html">https://edinburghuniversitypress.com/book-queer-bloomsbury-13031.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt'>Fine artist<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'><a href="http://www.brendahelt.com/">http://www.brendahelt.com</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Vwoolf [mailto:vwoolf-bounces@lists.osu.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Neverow, Vara S.<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, May 13, 2017 7:23 PM<br><b>To:</b> Gretchen Gerzina; vwoolf@lists.osu.edu<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vwoolf] Bloomsbury in the New York Times<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div id=divtagdefaultwrapper><p><span style='color:black'>Thank you so much for the posting!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p><span style='color:black'>I had read the article earlier today in the print version (which is titled "In Bloomsbury Country") and thought it was rather misleading in spots. What I found most puzzling was how evasive Francine Prose was with regard the assertion that Vanessa Bell lived with "her lover" (!) Duncan Grant at Charleston. At least Prose didn't refer to the Bloomsbury Group as the "Bloomsbury Set" as did that article on Jo Malone's Bloomsbury scents. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p><span style='color:black'>Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p><span style='color:black'>Vara<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id=Signature><div name=divtagdefaultwrapper><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Times","serif";color:black'>Vara Neverow<br>Department of English<br>Southern Connecticut State University<br>New Haven, CT 06515<br>203-392-6717<br><a href="mailto:neverowv1@southernct.edu">neverowv1@southernct.edu</a></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='color:black'><hr size=3 width="98%" align=center></span></div><div id="x_divRplyFwdMsg"><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> Vwoolf <<a href="mailto:vwoolf-bounces+neverowv1=southernct.edu@lists.osu.edu">vwoolf-bounces+neverowv1=southernct.edu@lists.osu.edu</a>> on behalf of Gretchen Gerzina <<a href="mailto:ozma@sover.net">ozma@sover.net</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, May 13, 2017 8:03 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:vwoolf@lists.osu.edu">vwoolf@lists.osu.edu</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [Vwoolf] Bloomsbury in the New York Times</span><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>This article by Francine Prose is appearing in the New York Times, celebrating Bloomsbury homes in Sussex and Kent:<br><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/09/travel/britain-bloomsbury-group-gardens-sussex-kent-virginia-woolf.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=mini-moth®ion=top-stories-below&WT.nav=top-stories-below&_r=0" id=LPlnk86092>https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/09/travel/britain-bloomsbury-group-gardens-sussex-kent-virginia-woolf.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=mini-moth®ion=top-stories-below&WT.nav=top-stories-below&_r=0</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div style='margin-bottom:15.0pt;overflow:auto' id="LPBorder_GT_14947278033370.8700842490418854"><table class=MsoNormalTable border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="90%" style='width:90.0%;background:white;border-top:dotted #C8C8C8 1.0pt;border-left:none;border-bottom:dotted #C8C8C8 1.0pt;border-right:none'><tr><td width=375 valign=top style='width:187.5pt;border:none;padding:15.0pt 15.0pt 15.0pt .75pt'><div style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;display:table' id="LPImageContainer_14947278033340.39716326022051907"><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:15.0pt;background:white'><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/09/travel/britain-bloomsbury-group-gardens-sussex-kent-virginia-woolf.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=mini-moth®ion=top-stories-below&WT.nav=top-stories-below&_r=0" target="_blank"><span style='text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=250 height=130 id="LPThumbnailImageID_14947278033350.6862187854938522" src="https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/05/14/travel/14BLOOMSBURY1/14BLOOMSBURY1-facebookJumbo-v2.jpg"></span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div></td><td valign=top style='border:none;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;display:table-cell' id="TextCell_14947278033350.6643271936212218"><div id="LPTitle_14947278033360.3270434929001036"><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:15.0pt;mso-line-height-alt:15.75pt'><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Light","sans-serif";color:#212121'><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/09/travel/britain-bloomsbury-group-gardens-sussex-kent-virginia-woolf.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=mini-moth®ion=top-stories-below&WT.nav=top-stories-below&_r=0" target="_blank"><span style='text-decoration:none'>The Bloomsbury Bohemians in the British Countryside</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-top:7.5pt;margin-bottom:12.0pt' id="LPMetadata_14947278033360.5047497842334121"><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:15.0pt;line-height:10.5pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif";color:#666666'><a href="http://www.nytimes.com">www.nytimes.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="LPDescription_14947278033360.18118497135550427"><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:15.0pt;line-height:15.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif";color:#666666'>The artists, writers and intellectuals of the charmed Bloomsbury Group often retreated to the Sussex and Kent regions, where quite a few were avid gardeners.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></td></tr></table></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'><br><br><br>Gretchen Gerzina<br><br>On 5/12/17, 2:12 PM, "<a href="mailto:vwoolf-bounces@lists.osu.edu%20on%20behalf%20of%20vwoolf-request@lists.osu.edu">vwoolf-bounces@lists.osu.edu on behalf of vwoolf-request@lists.osu.edu</a>" <<a href="mailto:vwoolf-bounces@lists.osu.edu%20on%20behalf%20of%20vwoolf-request@lists.osu.edu">vwoolf-bounces@lists.osu.edu on behalf of vwoolf-request@lists.osu.edu</a>> wrote:<br><br> Send Vwoolf mailing list submissions to<br> <a href="mailto:vwoolf@lists.osu.edu">vwoolf@lists.osu.edu</a><br> <br> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> <a href="https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf" id=LPlnk85020>https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div style='margin-bottom:15.0pt;overflow:auto' id="LPBorder_GT_14947278032180.152561186507145"><table class=MsoNormalTable border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="90%" style='width:90.0%;background:white;border-top:dotted #C8C8C8 1.0pt;border-left:none;border-bottom:dotted #C8C8C8 1.0pt;border-right:none'><tr><td valign=top style='border:none;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><div id="LPTitle_14947278032160.8083661506006827"><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:15.0pt;mso-line-height-alt:15.75pt'><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Light","sans-serif";color:#212121'><a href="https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf" target="_blank"><span style='text-decoration:none'>Vwoolf Info Page - Ohio State University</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-top:7.5pt;margin-bottom:12.0pt' id="LPMetadata_14947278032170.23398268022496893"><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:15.0pt;line-height:10.5pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif";color:#666666'>lists.osu.edu<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="LPDescription_14947278032170.38255611791072464"><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:15.0pt;line-height:15.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif";color:#666666'>To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the Vwoolf Archives. Using Vwoolf: To post a message to all the list members, send email to ...<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></td></tr></table></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'><br><br> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br> <a href="mailto:vwoolf-request@lists.osu.edu">vwoolf-request@lists.osu.edu</a><br> <br> You can reach the person managing the list at<br> <a href="mailto:vwoolf-owner@lists.osu.edu">vwoolf-owner@lists.osu.edu</a><br> <br> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br> than "Re: Contents of Vwoolf digest..."<br> <br> <br> Today's Topics:<br> <br> 1. Compare, contrast -- and distinguish (Stuart N. Clarke)<br> <br> <br> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br> <br> Message: 1<br> Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 19:12:21 +0100<br> From: "Stuart N. Clarke" <<a href="mailto:stuart.n.clarke@btinternet.com">stuart.n.clarke@btinternet.com</a>><br> To: <<a href="mailto:vwoolf@lists.osu.edu">vwoolf@lists.osu.edu</a>><br> Subject: [Vwoolf] Compare, contrast -- and distinguish<br> Message-ID: <0B99C9249D974B74B051A7DDBB6385AF@StuartHP><br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br> <br> (1) ?Emma was getting old, Frannie noted wistfully, as the rail-thin black maid tottered into the master bedroom with a breakfast tray in her hands.? (?More Tales of the City?, 1980)<br> <br> (2) ?Ellen, the discreet black maid, stood behind Mrs Chinnery?s chair, waiting? (?The Years?, 1937, ?1911? ch.)<br> <br> Why is Ellen black? Because she?s old Mrs Chinnery?s maid. She?s not a tweeny; she?s not a downstairs maid. If anyone needs serving with refreshments, it won?t be she doing it. Therefore, she?s not wearing a white apron. She?s dressed all in black.<br> <br> Incidentally, how is Mrs Chinnery getting to her room, since she?s in a ?wheeled chair?? Will she be able to get up the stairs with help, or is her room on the same floor as the drawing-room? Possible but unlikely, I would have thought. There wouldn?t have been a lift. I like to think that a couple of strapping footmen will carry her in the wheelchair up the stairs.<br> <br> Let?s turn to a bit of social history. If the photo. below comes out, it shows 3 black shop assistants in the late-1920s in the back garden of a department store. Not that I think they would be called such, since shop assistants in a decent shop would always be wearing black. (As little James in the film of ?To the Lighthouse? would say, ?My muvver is in the middle?.) The hairstyles are a bit frightening ? perms at home. Do you think the centre and right-hand dresses are homemade? (My mother was a good sewer.) I doubt if the material is of good quality. How would you clean them? You wouldn?t dare rub a spot like Mrs Robinson does in ?The Graduate?. Perhaps a wet tea-towel and a hot iron might do. The working classes couldn?t afford dry-cleaning until the 1930s, and only occasionally then. And what about the sweat under the arms, turning the black to white or grey? No deodorant of course, and baths once a week if you were lucky. Well, what they did was wear !<br> a pad<br> ded crescent of material under the arms, tacked, I assume, to the straps of the petticoat. That mopped up the sweat and protected the dresses.<br> <br> This seems to me much more interesting than even considering for a moment that Ellen might have been imported from the Empire.<br> <br> Stuart<br> <br> <br> <br> -------------- next part --------------<br> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br> URL: <<a href="http://lists.osu.edu/pipermail/vwoolf/attachments/20170512/85dc8185/attachment.html" id=LPlnk518233>http://lists.osu.edu/pipermail/vwoolf/attachments/20170512/85dc8185/attachment.html</a>><br> -------------- next part --------------<br> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...<br> Name: P1070860[2].jpg<br> Type: image/jpeg<br> Size: 69057 bytes<br> Desc: not available<br> URL: <<a href="http://lists.osu.edu/pipermail/vwoolf/attachments/20170512/85dc8185/attachment.jpg" id=LPlnk662637>http://lists.osu.edu/pipermail/vwoolf/attachments/20170512/85dc8185/attachment.jpg</a>><br> <br> ------------------------------<br> <br> Subject: Digest Footer<br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> Vwoolf mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:Vwoolf@lists.osu.edu">Vwoolf@lists.osu.edu</a><br> <a href="https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf" id=LPlnk874717>https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div style='margin-bottom:15.0pt;overflow:auto' id="LPBorder_GT_14947278629000.956721474648706"><table class=MsoNormalTable border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="90%" style='width:90.0%;background:white;border-top:dotted #C8C8C8 1.0pt;border-left:none;border-bottom:dotted #C8C8C8 1.0pt;border-right:none'><tr><td valign=top style='border:none;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><div id="LPTitle_14947278628980.7302979230357729"><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:15.0pt;mso-line-height-alt:15.75pt'><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Light","sans-serif";color:#212121'><a href="https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf" target="_blank"><span style='text-decoration:none'>Vwoolf Info Page - Ohio State University</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-top:7.5pt;margin-bottom:12.0pt' id="LPMetadata_14947278628990.739026294868969"><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:15.0pt;line-height:10.5pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif";color:#666666'>lists.osu.edu<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="LPDescription_14947278628990.3641773467828189"><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:15.0pt;line-height:15.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif";color:#666666'>To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the Vwoolf Archives. Using Vwoolf: To post a message to all the list members, send email to ...<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></td></tr></table></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'><br><br> <br> <br> ------------------------------<br> <br> End of Vwoolf Digest, Vol 60, Issue 8<br> *************************************<br> <br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Vwoolf mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Vwoolf@lists.osu.edu">Vwoolf@lists.osu.edu</a><br><a href="https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf" id=LPlnk45902>https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div style='margin-bottom:15.0pt;overflow:auto' id="LPBorder_GT_14947279230610.4969597995730086"><table class=MsoNormalTable border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="90%" style='width:90.0%;background:white;border-top:dotted #C8C8C8 1.0pt;border-left:none;border-bottom:dotted #C8C8C8 1.0pt;border-right:none'><tr><td valign=top style='border:none;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><div id="LPTitle_14947279230590.9625327791113634"><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:15.0pt;mso-line-height-alt:15.75pt'><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Light","sans-serif";color:#212121'><a href="https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf" target="_blank"><span style='text-decoration:none'>Vwoolf Info Page - Ohio State University</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-top:7.5pt;margin-bottom:12.0pt' id="LPMetadata_14947279230590.9265867994556973"><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:15.0pt;line-height:10.5pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif";color:#666666'>lists.osu.edu<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="LPDescription_14947279230600.3427710351295963"><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:15.0pt;line-height:15.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif";color:#666666'>To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the Vwoolf Archives. Using Vwoolf: To post a message to all the list members, send email to ...<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></td></tr></table></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'><img border=0 id="_x0000_i1027" src="http://lists.osu.edu/pipermail/vwoolf/attachments/20170512/85dc8185/attachment.jpg"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>