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<p>I agree that the 5 boys connection is a red herring. Unless my
battered memory is misleading me, you could still buy 5 boys
chocolate bars in the 1950s, and they were of solid rather than
filled chocolate. As for the mint taste, there were certainly bars
of creme-filled chocolate with a mint taste, but were they not
called chocolate mints or chocolate mint creams? There were also
boxes of mint-creme individual chocolate but I cannot remember
what they were called. "Peppermint cremes" perhaps? Incidentally,
is the odd "creme" spelling just a marketing affectation?</p>
<p>Jeremy H<br>
</p>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 05.04.2017 17.24, Graham Borland
wrote:<br>
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<div>While we're on the subject, there is, I believe another
important point to clarify: is there a slight mint flavour to
the fondant in Fry's Chocolate Cream, or is it just my
imagination?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Also, it may be worth noting that Fry's merged with Cadbury's
in 1919; though I can't seem to find any information as to when
Cadbury's discontinued their own version of the bar in favour of
the Fry's brand and recipe (presumably to the bitter
disappointment of Leonard Woolf).</div>
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<div>Graham</div>
<div><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div>On Wed 5 Apr 2017 at 4:07 p.m., Byrne, Anne (Soc &
Pol) <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:anne.byrne@nuigalway.ie">anne.byrne@nuigalway.ie</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<p class="gmail_msg">Many thanks Stuart - my confidence
in the meaning of 'chocolate creams' was also shaken
but I too am going with the 'bar' variety. <font
class="gmail_msg" size="3">I </font>have looked<font
class="gmail_msg" size="3"> at many images of
chocolate cream bars and sweets in the past few days
(and eaten it also for the purposes of research). </font><font
class="gmail_msg" size="3">I am indebted to all who
have replied to this thread and to Leonard who
started and ended his </font>autobiography,
<i class="gmail_msg">Beginning Again</i>,<font
class="gmail_msg" size="3"> with a description of
the sensory experience of missing and
finding his favorite treat. Fixing on chocolate
creams to begin and end an autobiography, an
analysis of one's own life and psyche, may or may
not have been deliberate but from such fragments art
can be made.</font><span style="font-size:12pt"
class="gmail_msg"></span></p>
<p class="gmail_msg"><font class="gmail_msg" size="3"><br
class="gmail_msg">
</font></p>
<p class="gmail_msg"><font class="gmail_msg" size="3">Kind
regards</font></p>
<p class="gmail_msg"><font class="gmail_msg" size="3">Anne</font></p>
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class="gmail_msg" face="Calibri, sans-serif"
color="#000000"><b class="gmail_msg">From:</b>
Vwoolf <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vwoolf-bounces@lists.osu.edu"
class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">vwoolf-bounces@lists.osu.edu</a>>
on behalf of Stuart N. Clarke <<a
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href="mailto:stuart.n.clarke@btinternet.com"
class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">stuart.n.clarke@btinternet.com</a>><br
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<b class="gmail_msg">Sent:</b> 05 April 2017 15:36<br
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<b class="gmail_msg">To:</b> 'Woolf List'<br
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<b class="gmail_msg">Subject:</b> [Vwoolf]
Chocolate Creams</font>
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<div class="gmail_msg">I have returned to my
earlier confidence about this topic, and agree
firmly with the OED:</div>
<div class="gmail_msg"><strong class="gmail_msg">“An
item or type of chocolate confectionery with
a fondant centre. Freq.
<em class="gmail_msg"><span
class="gmail_msg">attrib.</span></em>,
esp. in <span
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chocolate-cream bar</span>.”</strong></div>
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<div class="gmail_msg">The reason for my
previous unease is because I assumed that the
“5 Boys” range corresponded with choc. creams,
*because* the bar split into 5, as here:</div>
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<br class="gmail_msg">
<div class="gmail_msg">yet all the examples
below featuring 5 Boys have nothing to do with
choc. creams. By the way, the “Five Boys Bars
came out in 1902.”</div>
<div class="gmail_msg"> </div>
<div class="gmail_msg">So, back to Leonard
Woolf. Surely, writing in 1964, he would not
use the expression “chocolate creams” in an
anachronistic 1902-22 way (in other words, if
choc. creams meant something different in
1902-22 from 1964, he would have explained).
And this is what he wrote:</div>
<div class="gmail_msg"> </div>
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<span class="gmail_msg" lang="EN-US">On the
first page of this book I recorded that the
one thing which I remember in my return from
Ceylon after seven years is the chocolate
creams in Marseille. It is a strange fact—I
have no doubt, discreditable to me, some
unsavoury juggling between my scruffy ego
and sluttish id—that one of the chief things
which I remember as connected with the
return from those terrible four years of war
to peace is chocolate creams. A good many
Belgian refugees in the first year of the
war settled in Richmond and a large florid
Belgian woman opened a kind of delicatessen
shop (as they were called in those days) and
tea-shop some way up the hill near Richmond
Bridge. As the war went on</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg">
<span class="gmail_msg" lang="EN-US">256</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg">
<span class="gmail_msg" lang="EN-US"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg">
<span class="gmail_msg" lang="EN-US">THE 1914
WAR</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg" style="margin:0cm
0cm 0pt;line-height:normal"><span
class="gmail_msg" lang="EN-US">delicatessen
became very thin on the ground and chocolate
creams vanished. Some months after armistice
day, Virginia and I, walking up Richmond
Hill, looked into the shop and there upon
the counter were slabs of chocolate cream
bars. When I was a child, you could buy
large fat bars of chocolate cream which
cost, I think, a halfpenny the bar. Some
were made by Cadbury and some by Fry, and if
you were an addict of Cadbury, you regarded
the Fry eater as a drinker of Musigny
Vieilles Vignes regards the drinker of
Australian Burgundy. I belonged to the
Cadbury school and have remained an addict
of chocolate cream in bars ever since
(though I have not seen any for years). The
Belgian chocolate cream bars were
un-English, being thin and continental, but
when we saw them, the world seemed to change
just a little and we dashed into the shop
and each bought three bars which was the
maximum that Madame X allowed each customer
to buy. We carried them back to Hogarth
House and ate them silently, almost
reverently. The Great War was at last over.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg" style="margin:0cm
0cm 0pt;line-height:normal"><span
class="gmail_msg" lang="EN-US">257</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg" style="margin:0cm
0cm 0pt;line-height:normal"><span
class="gmail_msg" lang="EN-US"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg" style="margin:0cm
0cm 0pt;line-height:normal"><i
class="gmail_msg"><span class="gmail_msg"
lang="EN-US">Beginning Again</span></i><i
class="gmail_msg"><span class="gmail_msg"></span></i></p>
<div class="gmail_msg"> </div>
<div class="gmail_msg">Stuart</div>
<div class="gmail_msg"> </div>
<div
style="font-size:small;text-decoration:none;font-family:"Calibri";font-weight:normal;color:#000000;font-style:normal;display:inline"
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<div style="font:10pt tahoma"
class="gmail_msg">
<div class="gmail_msg"> </div>
<div style="background:#f5f5f5"
class="gmail_msg">
<div class="gmail_msg"><b
class="gmail_msg">From:</b> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
title="mhussey@verizon.net"
class="gmail_msg">Mark Hussey</a> </div>
<div class="gmail_msg"><b
class="gmail_msg">Sent:</b> Friday,
March 31, 2017 2:30 PM</div>
<div class="gmail_msg"><b
class="gmail_msg">To:</b> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
title="stuart.n.clarke@btinternet.com"
class="gmail_msg">'Stuart N. Clarke'</a>
;
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
title="VWOOLF@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu"
class="gmail_msg">'Woolf List'</a> </div>
<div class="gmail_msg"><b
class="gmail_msg">Subject:</b> RE:
[Vwoolf] Chocolate Creams?</div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_msg"> </div>
</div>
<div
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<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg">Right, well
Stuart’s post reminds me of Vanessa’s
“Notes on Virginia’s Childhood” which ends
with a scene of the sisters buying
<i class="gmail_msg">Tit Bits</i>
“together with 3d worth of Fry’s
Chocolate, taking both to Kensington
Gardens to read and eat together, lying in
the grass under the trees on summer
afternoons.”</p>
<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg">Looking
forward to that edition of <i
class="gmail_msg">JR</i>…</p>
<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><b
class="gmail_msg"><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
class="gmail_msg">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
class="gmail_msg"> Vwoolf [mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vwoolf-bounces@lists.osu.edu"
class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">vwoolf-bounces@lists.osu.edu</a>]
<b class="gmail_msg">On Behalf Of </b>Stuart
N. Clarke<br class="gmail_msg">
<b class="gmail_msg">Sent:</b>
Friday, March 31, 2017 7:15 AM<br
class="gmail_msg">
<b class="gmail_msg">To:</b> Woolf
List<br class="gmail_msg">
<b class="gmail_msg">Subject:</b>
Re: [Vwoolf] Chocolate Creams?</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"> </p>
<div class="gmail_msg">
<div class="gmail_msg">
<div class="gmail_msg">
<div class="gmail_msg">
<div class="gmail_msg">
<div class="gmail_msg">
<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg"> </span></p>
</div>
<div class="gmail_msg">
<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg"
lang="EN-GB">VW’s
mother-in-law had a ‘passion
for chocolate creams’ (<i
class="gmail_msg">L</i>4
241). This passion was
shared by VW (<i
class="gmail_msg">L</i>2
62) and<i class="gmail_msg">
</i>LW (L. Woolf “Beginning
Again” 1964: 15), and in
1918 they bought three bars
from a shop near Richmond
Bridge run by a Belgian
refugee: ‘The Great War was
at last over’ (L. Woolf
1964: 257).</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg"></span></p>
</div>
<div class="gmail_msg">
<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg"> </span></p>
</div>
<div class="gmail_msg">
<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg"
lang="EN-GB">I didn’t
realise that this was a
problem! As far as I’m
concerned, I think of choc.
creams as a small dark
chocolate with inside a
creamy white filling. The
OED gives:</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg"></span></p>
</div>
<div class="gmail_msg">
<h3
id="m_-1583287393549922353eid336341173"
class="gmail_msg"><strong
class="gmail_msg"><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg">2.</span></strong><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg"> An item
or type of chocolate
confectionery with a fondant
centre. Freq. <em
class="gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
class="gmail_msg">attrib.</span></em>,
esp. in
<span
class="m_-1583287393549922353lemmaindef
gmail_msg">chocolate-cream
bar</span>.</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg"></span></h3>
</div>
<div class="gmail_msg">
<div
id="m_-1583287393549922353eid336341175"
class="gmail_msg">
<div
id="m_-1583287393549922353eid790342021"
class="gmail_msg">
<p class="MsoNormal
gmail_msg"><span
class="m_-1583287393549922353noindent
gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg">1851
</span></span><em
class="gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg">Daily
National Intelligencer</span></em><span
class="m_-1583287393549922353noindent gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg"> 18
Dec. (</span></span><em
class="gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg">advt.</span></em><span
class="m_-1583287393549922353noindent gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg">)
</span></span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg"> The
subscriber begs leave to
state that he has
received a great variety
of imported and domestic
Confectionary, viz.
Fancy Boxes,
<span
class="m_-1583287393549922353quotationkeyword
gmail_msg">Chocolate
Cream</span>, Gum
Drops of superior
flavors, [etc.].</span></p>
</div>
<div
id="m_-1583287393549922353eid336729088"
class="gmail_msg">
<p class="MsoNormal
gmail_msg"><span
class="m_-1583287393549922353noindent
gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg">1860
</span></span><em
class="gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg">N.Y.
Times</span></em><span
class="m_-1583287393549922353noindent gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg"> 10
Apr. 3/4 (</span></span><em
class="gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg">advt.</span></em><span
class="m_-1583287393549922353noindent gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg">)
</span></span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg">
Maillard's Chocolate...
<span
class="m_-1583287393549922353quotationkeyword
gmail_msg">Chocolate
Creams</span>,
Chocolate Caramels,
[etc.].</span></p>
</div>
<div
id="m_-1583287393549922353eid336729098"
class="gmail_msg">
<p class="MsoNormal
gmail_msg"><span
class="m_-1583287393549922353noindent
gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg">1861
</span></span><em
class="gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg">Illustr.
London News</span></em><span
class="m_-1583287393549922353noindent gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg"> 9
Feb. 124/2 (</span></span><em
class="gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg">advt.</span></em><span
class="m_-1583287393549922353noindent gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg">)
</span></span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg">
Frys'
<span
class="m_-1583287393549922353quotationkeyword
gmail_msg">Chocolate
Creams</span>.</span></p>
</div>
<div
id="m_-1583287393549922353eid9543246"
class="gmail_msg">
<p class="MsoNormal
gmail_msg"><span
class="m_-1583287393549922353noindent
gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg">1879
</span></span><span
class="m_-1583287393549922353smallcaps
gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg">C.
M. Yonge</span></span><span
class="m_-1583287393549922353noindent gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg">
</span></span><em
class="gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg">Magnum
Bonum</span></em><span
class="m_-1583287393549922353noindent gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg"> I.
iv. 58</span></span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg">
We'd got nothing to eat
but <span
class="m_-1583287393549922353quotationkeyword
gmail_msg">chocolate
creams</span>.</span></p>
</div>
<div
id="m_-1583287393549922353eid336729107"
class="gmail_msg">
<p class="MsoNormal
gmail_msg"><span
class="m_-1583287393549922353noindent
gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg">1893
</span></span><em
class="gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg">Proc.
Ackworth Old Scholars'
Assoc.</span></em><span
class="m_-1583287393549922353noindent gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg">
</span></span><strong
class="gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg">12</span></strong><span
class="m_-1583287393549922353noindent gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg"> 34</span></span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg"> To
one unaccustomed to boys
and their ways, a jam
tart, a bar of <span
class="m_-1583287393549922353quotationkeyword
gmail_msg">
chocolate cream</span>,
a cocoanut, and a
mixture known as turkish
delight..would seem to
break the elementary
laws of health.</span></p>
</div>
<div
id="m_-1583287393549922353eid310401614"
class="gmail_msg">
<p class="MsoNormal
gmail_msg"><span
class="m_-1583287393549922353noindent
gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg">1906
</span></span><em
class="gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg">Daily
Chron.</span></em><span
class="m_-1583287393549922353noindent gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg"> 25
July 6/4</span></span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg"> A
shop-worn <span
class="m_-1583287393549922353quotationkeyword
gmail_msg">chocolate-cream
bar</span>.</span></p>
</div>
<div
id="m_-1583287393549922353eid336729115"
class="gmail_msg">
<p class="MsoNormal
gmail_msg"><span
class="m_-1583287393549922353noindent
gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg">1917
</span></span><em
class="gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg">McClure's
Mag.</span></em><span
class="m_-1583287393549922353noindent gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg">
Mar. 48/1</span></span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg"> In
the Lowney factories
most <span
class="m_-1583287393549922353quotationkeyword
gmail_msg">chocolate
cream</span> centers
are fashioned in molds.</span></p>
</div>
<div
id="m_-1583287393549922353eid336729123"
class="gmail_msg">
<p class="MsoNormal
gmail_msg"><span
class="m_-1583287393549922353noindent
gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg">1992
</span></span><span
class="m_-1583287393549922353smallcaps
gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg">M.
Baren</span></span><span
class="m_-1583287393549922353noindent gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg">
</span></span><em
class="gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg">How
it all Began</span></em><span
class="m_-1583287393549922353noindent gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg">
25/1</span></span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg"> The
increased demand was at
least partly due to the
introduction of the now
famous
<span
class="m_-1583287393549922353quotationkeyword
gmail_msg">chocolate
cream bar</span> in
1866.</span></p>
</div>
<div
id="m_-1583287393549922353eid336729131"
class="gmail_msg">
<p class="MsoNormal
gmail_msg"><span
class="m_-1583287393549922353noindent
gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg">2012
</span></span><em
class="gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg">Weekend
Austral.</span></em><span
class="m_-1583287393549922353noindent gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg">
(Nexis) 21 Apr. 17</span></span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg">
This is a romantic
comedy, after all—as
sweet as a box of
soft-centred <span
class="m_-1583287393549922353quotationkeyword
gmail_msg">
chocolate creams</span>.</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p
class="m_-1583287393549922353quotations
gmail_msg"><span
class="m_-1583287393549922353quotationdate
gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg">1851—2012</span></span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg"></span></p>
</div>
<div class="gmail_msg">
<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg"> </span></p>
</div>
<div class="gmail_msg">
<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg"
lang="EN-GB">However, on the
TV yesterday on an antiques
programme, an enamel advert
from what I took to be
1910-26 of the famous Fry’s
5 boys made me look at the
boy on the R more closely,
and he seems to have a *bar*
of chocolate in his mouth
rather than a choc. with a
fondant centre. This here is
not the ad. I saw, but
similar of course (it was
clearer on the one I saw):</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg"></span></p>
</div>
<div class="gmail_msg">
<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
title="https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00158N5FI?psc=1"
href="https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00158N5FI?psc=1" class="gmail_msg"
target="_blank">https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00158N5FI?psc=1</a></span></p>
</div>
<div class="gmail_msg">
<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg"> </span></p>
</div>
<div class="gmail_msg">
<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg">You can
find lots of them here:</span></p>
</div>
<div class="gmail_msg">
<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
title="https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=expectation+fry%27s+five+boys&FORM=HDRSC2"
href="https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=expectation+fry%27s+five+boys&FORM=HDRSC2"
class="gmail_msg"
target="_blank">https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=expectation+fry%27s+five+boys&FORM=HDRSC2</a></span></p>
</div>
<div class="gmail_msg">
<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg"> </span></p>
</div>
<div class="gmail_msg">
<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg">This is
the one I saw, but it was
clearer on TV (& sold
for at least £2000 at
auction!):</span></p>
</div>
<div class="gmail_msg">
<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
title="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fry%27s_Chocolate_Cream#/media/File:Fry%27s_Chocolate_advertisement.JPG"
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fry%27s_Chocolate_Cream#/media/File:Fry%27s_Chocolate_advertisement.JPG"
class="gmail_msg"
target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fry%27s_Chocolate_Cream#/media/File:Fry%27s_Chocolate_advertisement.JPG</a></span></p>
</div>
<div class="gmail_msg">
<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg"> </span></p>
</div>
<div class="gmail_msg">
<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg">I thought
that Fry’s choc. creams were
always like this:</span></p>
</div>
<div class="gmail_msg">
<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
title="https://www.cadbury.ie/products/Chocolate-Cream-2454?p=2454"
href="https://www.cadbury.ie/products/Chocolate-Cream-2454?p=2454"
class="gmail_msg"
target="_blank">https://www.cadbury.ie/products/Chocolate-Cream-2454?p=2454</a></span></p>
</div>
<div class="gmail_msg">
<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg"> </span></p>
</div>
<div class="gmail_msg">
<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg">I think I
may be wrong: look at
“Beginning Again” p. 257
more carefully. In summary,
I think chocolate cream bars
were either as described by
the OED or were the
equivalent of bars of milk
chocolate (similar to what
we get today).</span></p>
</div>
<div class="gmail_msg">
<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg"> </span></p>
</div>
<div class="gmail_msg">
<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg">If anyone
gets any further with this,
I should be pleased to hear
-- to help me with “Jacob’s
Room, of course.</span></p>
</div>
<div class="gmail_msg">
<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg"> </span></p>
</div>
<div class="gmail_msg">
<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg">Stuart</span></p>
</div>
<div class="gmail_msg">
<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span
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class="gmail_msg"> </span></p>
</div>
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class="gmail_msg"> </span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal
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<p class="MsoNormal
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style="background:whitesmoke"><b
class="gmail_msg"><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg">
Byrne, Anne (Soc &
Pol)
</span></p>
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gmail_msg"
style="background:whitesmoke"><b
class="gmail_msg"><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"
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style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg">
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11:29 AM</span></p>
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style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"
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class="gmail_msg"><span
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style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg">
[Vwoolf] Chocolate
Creams?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span
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id="m_-1583287393549922353divtagdefaultwrapper"
class="gmail_msg">
<p class="gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
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<p class="gmail_msg"><span
style="font-size:21pt;font-family:".SFUIDisplay","serif";color:#454545"
class="gmail_msg">Morning
All- I have a
research quest which
you might be able to
help me with? I am
looking for an
explanation of what
'chocolate creams'
meant in post WW1
Britain. Why? I need
an image of
chocolate creams as
recognised by
Leonard and Virginia
but as I don't know
what the term means
I am somewhat at a
standstill. Are
'chocolate creams'
hand made (or not)
confectionary
(sweets in a box),
biscuits (perhaps
like bourbons or
oreos today) or are
they a chocolate bar
(think Fry's) or
some sort of desert
made of chocolate
and cream? My mind
is frazzled by the
puzzle and I have
to say looking at
the pictures of
chocolate does make
me chocolate hungry.
The plural seems to
be important - any
ideas?
</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg"></span></p>
<p
style="min-height:25px"
class="gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:".SF UI
Display","serif";color:#454545"
class="gmail_msg"></span> </p>
<p class="gmail_msg"><span
style="font-size:21pt;font-family:".SFUIDisplay","serif";color:#454545"
class="gmail_msg">The
context as you
probably can guess
is that Virginia and
Leonard celebrated
the end of the war
together, sitting by
the fire,
'sacramentally'
eating 'chocolate
creams', purchased
from a Belgian
confectioner on
Richmond Hill (see
Glendinning). The
Bloomsbury Cookbook
by Jans Ondaatje
Rolls gives a recipe
for same but
according to a
Guardian review this
is more like a Swiss
roll (Regretfully I
don't have a copy of
the book to check).
Florinda in <i
class="gmail_msg">Jacob's
Room</i> is
partial to chocolate
creams and so might
I if I knew what
they were!
</span><span
style="font-family:".SF
UI
Display","serif";color:#454545"
class="gmail_msg"></span></p>
<p
style="min-height:25px"
class="gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:".SF UI
Display","serif";color:#454545"
class="gmail_msg"></span> </p>
<p class="gmail_msg"><span
style="font-size:21pt;font-family:".SFUIDisplay","serif";color:#454545"
class="gmail_msg">Margaret
Cole sends
'chocolate creams'
to Leonard in 1967
after reading
<i class="gmail_msg">Beginning
Again </i>(Glendinning)
and other readers
reputedly wished
they could.
</span><span
style="font-family:".SF
UI
Display","serif";color:#454545"
class="gmail_msg"></span></p>
<p
style="min-height:25px"
class="gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:".SF UI
Display","serif";color:#454545"
class="gmail_msg"></span> </p>
<p class="gmail_msg"><span
style="font-size:21pt;font-family:".SFUIDisplay","serif";color:#454545"
class="gmail_msg">It's
frivolous I know but
sometimes....Looking
forward to another
great conference in
Reading.</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg"></span></p>
<p class="gmail_msg"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg"></span> </p>
<p class="gmail_msg"><span
style="font-size:21pt;font-family:".SFUIDisplay","serif";color:#454545"
class="gmail_msg">Warm
wishes</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg"></span></p>
<p class="gmail_msg"><span
style="font-size:21pt;font-family:".SFUIDisplay","serif";color:#454545"
class="gmail_msg">Anne
Byrne</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
class="gmail_msg"></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
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Jeremy Hawthorn
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7091 Tiller
Norway
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My recent books:
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.brill.com/products/book/narrative-ethics">http://www.brill.com/products/book/narrative-ethics</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.bloomsbury.com/uk/studying-the-novel-9781472575111/">http://www.bloomsbury.com/uk/studying-the-novel-9781472575111/</a></pre>
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