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<p>Many thanks Stuart - my confidence in the meaning of 'chocolate creams' was also shaken but I too am going with the 'bar' variety. <font size="3">I </font>have looked<font size="3"> at many images of chocolate cream bars and sweets in the past few days (and
eaten it also for the purposes of research). </font><font size="3">I am indebted to all who have replied to this thread and to Leonard who started and ended his </font>autobiography,
<i>Beginning Again</i>,<font size="3"> with a description of the sensory experience of missing and finding his favorite treat. Fixing on chocolate creams to begin and end an autobiography, an analysis of one's own life and psyche, may or may not have been deliberate
but from such fragments art can be made.</font><span style="font-size: 12pt;"></span></p>
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<p><font size="3">Kind regards</font></p>
<p><font size="3">Anne</font></p>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000" style="font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> Vwoolf <vwoolf-bounces@lists.osu.edu> on behalf of Stuart N. Clarke <stuart.n.clarke@btinternet.com><br>
<b>Sent:</b> 05 April 2017 15:36<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Woolf List'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Vwoolf] Chocolate Creams</font>
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<div>I have returned to my earlier confidence about this topic, and agree firmly with the OED:</div>
<div><strong>“An item or type of chocolate confectionery with a fondant centre. Freq.
<em><span style="font-family:">attrib.</span></em>, esp. in <span class="lemmaindef">
chocolate-cream bar</span>.”</strong></div>
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<div>The reason for my previous unease is because I assumed that the “5 Boys” range corresponded with choc. creams, *because* the bar split into 5, as here:</div>
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<div>yet all the examples below featuring 5 Boys have nothing to do with choc. creams. By the way, the “Five Boys Bars came out in 1902.”</div>
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<div>So, back to Leonard Woolf. Surely, writing in 1964, he would not use the expression “chocolate creams” in an anachronistic 1902-22 way (in other words, if choc. creams meant something different in 1902-22 from 1964, he would have explained). And this
is what he wrote:</div>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:">On the first page of this book I recorded that the one thing which I remember in my return from Ceylon after seven years is the chocolate creams in Marseille. It is a strange fact—I have no doubt, discreditable to me,
some unsavoury juggling between my scruffy ego and sluttish id—that one of the chief things which I remember as connected with the return from those terrible four years of war to peace is chocolate creams. A good many Belgian refugees in the first year of
the war settled in Richmond and a large florid Belgian woman opened a kind of delicatessen shop (as they were called in those days) and tea-shop some way up the hill near Richmond Bridge. As the war went on</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:">256</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:">THE 1914 WAR</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt; line-height:normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:">delicatessen became very thin on the ground and chocolate creams vanished. Some months after armistice day, Virginia and I, walking up Richmond Hill,
looked into the shop and there upon the counter were slabs of chocolate cream bars. When I was a child, you could buy large fat bars of chocolate cream which cost, I think, a halfpenny the bar. Some were made by Cadbury and some by Fry, and if you were an
addict of Cadbury, you regarded the Fry eater as a drinker of Musigny Vieilles Vignes regards the drinker of Australian Burgundy. I belonged to the Cadbury school and have remained an addict of chocolate cream in bars ever since (though I have not seen any
for years). The Belgian chocolate cream bars were un-English, being thin and continental, but when we saw them, the world seemed to change just a little and we dashed into the shop and each bought three bars which was the maximum that Madame X allowed each
customer to buy. We carried them back to Hogarth House and ate them silently, almost reverently. The Great War was at last over.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt; line-height:normal"><i style=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:">Beginning Again</span></i><i style=""><span></span></i></p>
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<div style=""><b>From:</b> <a title="mhussey@verizon.net">Mark Hussey</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 31, 2017 2:30 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="stuart.n.clarke@btinternet.com">'Stuart N. Clarke'</a> ;
<a title="VWOOLF@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu">'Woolf List'</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Vwoolf] Chocolate Creams?</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Right, well Stuart’s post reminds me of Vanessa’s “Notes on Virginia’s Childhood” which ends with a scene of the sisters buying
<i>Tit Bits</i> “together with 3d worth of Fry’s Chocolate, taking both to Kensington Gardens to read and eat together, lying in the grass under the trees on summer afternoons.”</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Looking forward to that edition of <i>JR</i>…</p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Stuart N. Clarke<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 31, 2017 7:15 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Woolf List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vwoolf] Chocolate Creams?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">VW’s mother-in-law had a ‘passion for chocolate creams’ (<i>L</i>4 241). This passion was shared by VW (<i>L</i>2 62) and<i>
</i>LW (L. Woolf “Beginning Again” 1964: 15), and in 1918 they bought three bars from a shop near Richmond Bridge run by a Belgian refugee: ‘The Great War was at last over’ (L. Woolf 1964: 257).</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">I didn’t realise that this was a problem! As far as I’m concerned, I think of choc. creams as a small dark chocolate with inside a creamy white filling. The OED
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<h3 id="eid336341173"><strong><span style="font-size:12pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">2.</span></strong><span style="font-size:12pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black"> An item or type of chocolate confectionery with a fondant
centre. Freq. <em><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">attrib.</span></em>, esp. in
<span class="lemmaindef">chocolate-cream bar</span>.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black"></span></h3>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="noindent"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">1851
</span></span><em><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">Daily National Intelligencer</span></em><span class="noindent"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black"> 18 Dec. (</span></span><em><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">advt.</span></em><span class="noindent"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">)
</span></span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black"> The subscriber begs leave to state that he has received a great variety of imported and domestic Confectionary, viz. Fancy Boxes,
<span class="quotationkeyword">Chocolate Cream</span>, Gum Drops of superior flavors, [etc.].</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="noindent"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">1860
</span></span><em><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">N.Y. Times</span></em><span class="noindent"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black"> 10 Apr. 3/4 (</span></span><em><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">advt.</span></em><span class="noindent"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">)
</span></span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black"> Maillard's Chocolate...
<span class="quotationkeyword">Chocolate Creams</span>, Chocolate Caramels, [etc.].</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="noindent"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">1861
</span></span><em><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">Illustr. London News</span></em><span class="noindent"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black"> 9 Feb. 124/2 (</span></span><em><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">advt.</span></em><span class="noindent"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">)
</span></span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black"> Frys'
<span class="quotationkeyword">Chocolate Creams</span>.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="noindent"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">1879
</span></span><span class="smallcaps"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">C. M. Yonge</span></span><span class="noindent"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">
</span></span><em><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">Magnum Bonum</span></em><span class="noindent"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black"> I. iv. 58</span></span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">
We'd got nothing to eat but <span class="quotationkeyword">chocolate creams</span>.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="noindent"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">1893
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</span></span><strong><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">12</span></strong><span class="noindent"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black"> 34</span></span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">
To one unaccustomed to boys and their ways, a jam tart, a bar of <span class="quotationkeyword">
chocolate cream</span>, a cocoanut, and a mixture known as turkish delight..would seem to break the elementary laws of health.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="noindent"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">1906
</span></span><em><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">Daily Chron.</span></em><span class="noindent"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black"> 25 July 6/4</span></span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">
A shop-worn <span class="quotationkeyword">chocolate-cream bar</span>.</span></p>
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</span></span><em><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">McClure's Mag.</span></em><span class="noindent"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black"> Mar. 48/1</span></span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">
In the Lowney factories most <span class="quotationkeyword">chocolate cream</span> centers are fashioned in molds.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="noindent"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">1992
</span></span><span class="smallcaps"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">M. Baren</span></span><span class="noindent"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">
</span></span><em><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">How it all Began</span></em><span class="noindent"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black"> 25/1</span></span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">
The increased demand was at least partly due to the introduction of the now famous
<span class="quotationkeyword">chocolate cream bar</span> in 1866.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="noindent"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">2012
</span></span><em><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">Weekend Austral.</span></em><span class="noindent"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black"> (Nexis) 21 Apr. 17</span></span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">
This is a romantic comedy, after all—as sweet as a box of soft-centred <span class="quotationkeyword">
chocolate creams</span>.</span></p>
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<p class="quotations"><span class="quotationdate"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">1851—2012</span></span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">However, on the TV yesterday on an antiques programme, an enamel advert from what I took to be 1910-26 of the famous Fry’s 5 boys made me look at the boy on the
R more closely, and he seems to have a *bar* of chocolate in his mouth rather than a choc. with a fondant centre. This here is not the ad. I saw, but similar of course (it was clearer on the one I saw):</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black"><a title="https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00158N5FI?psc=1" href="https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00158N5FI?psc=1">https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00158N5FI?psc=1</a></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black"><a title="https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=expectation+fry%27s+five+boys&FORM=HDRSC2" href="https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=expectation+fry%27s+five+boys&FORM=HDRSC2">https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=expectation+fry%27s+five+boys&FORM=HDRSC2</a></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">This is the one I saw, but it was clearer on TV (& sold for at least £2000 at auction!):</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black"><a title="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fry%27s_Chocolate_Cream#/media/File:Fry%27s_Chocolate_advertisement.JPG" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fry%27s_Chocolate_Cream#/media/File:Fry%27s_Chocolate_advertisement.JPG">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fry%27s_Chocolate_Cream#/media/File:Fry%27s_Chocolate_advertisement.JPG</a></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">I thought that Fry’s choc. creams were always like this:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black">I think I may be wrong: look at “Beginning Again” p. 257 more carefully. In summary, I think chocolate cream bars were either as described by the OED or were the equivalent
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"; color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"; color:black"> Byrne, Anne (Soc & Pol)
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"; color:black">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"; color:black"> Friday, March 31, 2017 11:29 AM</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:21pt; font-family:".SFUIDisplay","serif"; color:#454545">Morning All- I have a research quest which you might be able to help me with? I am looking for an explanation of what 'chocolate creams' meant in post WW1 Britain. Why? I need
an image of chocolate creams as recognised by Leonard and Virginia but as I don't know what the term means I am somewhat at a standstill. Are 'chocolate creams' hand made (or not) confectionary (sweets in a box), biscuits (perhaps like bourbons or oreos today)
or are they a chocolate bar (think Fry's) or some sort of desert made of chocolate and cream? My mind is frazzled by the puzzle and I have to say looking at the pictures of chocolate does make me chocolate hungry. The plural seems to be important - any ideas?
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<p><span style="font-size:21pt; font-family:".SFUIDisplay","serif"; color:#454545">The context as you probably can guess is that Virginia and Leonard celebrated the end of the war together, sitting by the fire, 'sacramentally' eating 'chocolate creams', purchased
from a Belgian confectioner on Richmond Hill (see Glendinning). The Bloomsbury Cookbook by Jans Ondaatje Rolls gives a recipe for same but according to a Guardian review this is more like a Swiss roll (Regretfully I don't have a copy of the book to check).
Florinda in <i>Jacob's Room</i> is partial to chocolate creams and so might I if I knew what they were!
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<p><span style="font-size:21pt; font-family:".SFUIDisplay","serif"; color:#454545">Margaret Cole sends 'chocolate creams' to Leonard in 1967 after reading
<i>Beginning Again </i>(Glendinning) and other readers reputedly wished they could.
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<p><span style="font-size:21pt; font-family:".SFUIDisplay","serif"; color:#454545">It's frivolous I know but sometimes....Looking forward to another great conference in Reading.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black"></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:21pt; font-family:".SFUIDisplay","serif"; color:#454545">Warm wishes</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:black"></span></p>
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